JoshK

It becomes my business when I get killed because you rear-ended me and your bumper completely misses mine. SUKs are a hazard not only to themselves (rollovers, bad emergency handling, etc.), but also to every other smaller car on the road. By buying an SUK, you're telling everyone else to fuck off because you're forcing everyone else to get larger cars in order to be "safe". It *IS* our business. My favorite personal SUV story...I'm driving home one sunny and warm friday across the shithole known as the 520 bridge. I had left early to avoid what was sure to be the awful traffic. I come up upon traffic and of course everybody in front starts slamming on their brakes. I get on mine too and not wanting to make the problem worse use as little hard breaking as possible to slow down and leave a reasonable amount of space between me and the car in front of me. This happens to be about one car length. Well, lucky for me I happen to look into the rear view (never trust the guy behind you) and what do I see but a suburban barreling down on me. It quikcly becomes evident that this guy isn't going to stop in time. THis fact is made more evident when he goes into 4 wheel ABS "lock up" with bursts of screeching and tire smoke pouring out. A quick mirror check confirms the carpool lane (in reality, what should be the shoulder) is free and I gun it and veer around the car in front of me. The car in front of me sees the whole seen at this point and moves forward as much as he can (probably around another car lenght) and the suburban braces for crappy american engineering impact. The 3 tons of garbage finally comes to a stop about 6 inches from the rear bumper of the guy in front of me. Needless to say I would have been pancaked had I not gotten out of the way. And before anybody claims this was the driver's fault (it still is) and not the car, let me point out that your average midsize car probably gets from 60-to-0 in around 130 or 140 feet. Make that 120 for a light car, and maybe 110 for sports cars with high end breaks. Your average suburban of that vintage (late 90s) takes something like 180 feet. You do the math. And, no, this wasn't somebody using his suburban for hauling shit around. It was a single guy (in his 8 person car) wearing a suit.

You sure seem like a tough guy flipping off soccer moms with a back seat full of kids. Flip off my wife someday and you'll either find out how tough you really are or how tough your car really is. Yeah, and one of two things will happen. I'll beat your ass or you'll end up going to jail for assulting me. Your point being?

Burning stuff in the desert is no fun. I lit a nice line of white gas across the city street I live on the other day. The reactions from others seeing this sight is priceless. Much more fun than in the middle of the desert.

nwog.org. BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

MtnGoat, this has to be the most idiotic reasoning I've ever heard. THat WA car tab cut was the biggest load of crap ever. Tim Eyman managed to convince all the people with low cost cars that them saving a few bucks on tabs would be worth it, when in reality we all the real savings went to those of us with $40k cars who save $1000 a year or more on car tabs. The result is a fucked up state budget, mass transit cuts and even problems funding the road projects tim eyman loves so dearly. We don't live with a donation based tax system. Claiming the the middle class is being hypocrites because they critisize the upper class saving so much then don't send in the extra few $$ they save is idiotic.

I'm not judging them, I'm making fun of their cars, and I'll continue to do so. Just as they'll continue to bloat the roads and endanger the rest of us.

Seems he's complimenting the climbers, not the gay ass colorado rag. I agree, good job to the climbers. Cool climbs, good writeups, and deserving of a

When I see a passing pukon, ghettoslade, etc. I just express my view my pointing laughing and then flicking them off. I also make comments like "jeez, couldn't get all 2 kids to school in such a tiny car" to soccer moms, dads, etc. when I pass them in costco, etc. parking lots. It's your right (unfortunately) to drive whatever huge pile of crap (this isn't directly at you, JG, or even you rob, but the hoards of mindless yukon, expedition, etc. drivers) you want, but it's my right to show you no respect and insult you.

On second thought, maybe you do have a good point. I could see the point in forcing people to reply in a general forum or spray forum, and keep the TRs completely virgin.

Umm, there is a difference between legit replys and spray. It's perfecty ok to have people respond with "what gear did you take", "how much ice?", "was it choss?", etc. It's going to be pretty hard to police what you or others may consider spray and what might be useful questions or info.

JG has a right to be happy and proud. He's one of the .001% of the people who own land rovers that actually don't have it break down constantly.

Also, if you drive nasty terrain a lot they make a vehicle designed for that...it's called a TRUCK! SUVs are the "cool" (hahah...what a joke) attempt to get Americans to drive station wagons. That's all an SUV is perdiod, get it through your head, it's the station wagon of the 90s and 2000s. Euros, on the other hand, have been smart enough to realize this for decades and drive station wagons quite a bit. They also realize that a station wagon does 9 out of 10 things better than it's american counterpart, the SUV. SUV owners, I'm glad you are happy with what you drive, but at least realize why. Don't try to fool the rest of us into thinking your vehicle is a good solution for what most of you need it for.

Good god, the mormons have brainwashed you into believing utah has the best skiing in the world! run! run!

I am honered to be involved with the apparent high point of the ledgendary "4WD SUV" thread.

Well, certainly no disagreeing with that. And, yes, I think FB would *definitely* agree with you.

I had one before I busted the shoulder strap. I liked it. I also got mine dirt cheap and it served as a useful crag pack and day pack.

Are you just referring to the name or do you actually see them offering guide service somewhere on that page?!

reverso owns. I use my ATC if I need to be lighter however.

Haha...middle America is too dumb to realize this. Bushy can appease them by giving everybody a measly sum of money back, while at the same time further driving us into a deficit. This would be the stupidest tax cut in the history of this country.

Above all else, I hope you enjoy your new vehicle. If sitting high and mighty above the car drivers and considering yourself better is what brings you joy, more power to you. When it's all said and done, enjoying yourself is what matters.

Haha, you wankers crack me up. I'm not disputing that owning a nice vehicle is more fun. I, in fact, own one myself. What really gets me is this "I need to show off my nice vehicle to others" crap. Give me a break. If you cared about giving your customers a nice ride, you'd get a cadilliac or any number of fine german luxury autos, rather than some top-heavy converted truck. BTW, BubRub, I think you'd having a hard time convincing fred beckie or a slew of other people that the only thing that holds it's appeal over time is driving a nice car or having money or whatever the hell you meant with that comment. And related to the anti-establishment comment about my boss, he owns two motorcycles (drives them on sunny weekends) and spends his money on other things he must enjoy, including retiring early I'm sure. Every stop to think that impressing the ress of suburbia might not be everybody's idea of a good use for their money?!

That's cool and all, but at least go outside! Something tells me erik's comment was slightly tounge in cheek.

Understood, this makes sense. I guess, as somebody we saw up there pointed out, it keeps more tourons and gumbies away. The extra milage only adds 1 hour each way. carry on, I was just expressing my god given right to hate the USFS.

I agree, leather is much bette rfor getting dirty than cloth. Cloth is a pain to clean. I still can't believe you claim you need this vehicle to keep up with the jones' in your parking lot at work. What kind of insecure loser are you? I really can't see how what type of car you drive should matter to your employees. My boss at work doesn't even own a car (takes the bus) I guarantee he makes more than 99.9% of the people on this board. Not that I wish to give the idea that I care how much he, or any of you make, but you guys do seem fairly fixated on it.

OK, great, whatever. You guys seem to think I am bagging on the guy or something. I told him right to his face that he climed something harder and more impressive than triple couliors. I was duly impressed. In case it wasn't clear, paco, sweet climb. I'm sure the bed felt mighty nice later that day, eh?