Thinker

T & P...nuff said.

from the cc.com archives.... DUDE, you're the HAND!

I'm not so sure your fantasies that include 16-year olds are appropriate here.....

sorry, I used my French phrase book to wipe my ass in the Paris airport. What did you say?

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The P'tit Loup...named after a French magazine for children. I wonder how THAT will affect sales...

Take avy transcievers, poles, and shovels for the approach. Whether you go in high or low you're in avalanche terrain....already one fatality there this year....no need for more.

I wandered into a few LITTLE bars around Modesto CA awhile back (think newly enacted CA smoking ban). Though smoke hung heavy in the air, nary a person was seen smoking. Soon after I ordered a brew and started chatting with the folks about where I was from and what I was doing, the ashtrays and cigs started coming out from behind the bar again and life returned to normal. Seems they had a lookout watching for unfamiliar faces, and when one showed up they hid everything illegal. I prefer not to be around smoke, but know willingly submit myelf to it on occasion. I think that if it were really MORE profitable run non-smoking restaurants and bars more would have sprung up around the country by now.

West With the Night, by Beryl Markham a good short read about growing up, flying, elephant hunting, and horse training in British East Africa in the 1920s and 1930s. One gets the impression that Beryl was a remarkable woman who lived a life free of regrets.

assuming vertical rock, gel might work allright for an outward pull, but it would reduce the effectiveness for a downward force.

Muffster sez: your dogging of my spelling is tireless and anoying... at least I am not a DICK you'd better watch out, CBS, or your name will be dirt on the new super secret Wimmins forum.....oops, forget that....it's too late already!

walk down hill!

Restrooms up there would be great! But why target just the large groups. I'd bet that everyone who needs to urinate while up there simply runs off into the bushes and takes a leak....soloists, tourons, drinking teens, BASE jumpers..... Sounds like the perfect time to start charging a $5 entrance fee! That will finance the cleaning and repair service for the restrooms. You KNOW they'll be vandalized multiple times every year! And do you really think ANY climber at the BOTTOM of a climb will actually hike (or climb) all the way to the top to use the porta potty?...would you?....fat chance. If anything, the city should ask that the groups self-enforce a waste management policy, simliar to that on Rainier. I really doubt many people actually defecate up there, but it would be no big deal for the groups to teach their students to use blue bags before they actually get on a glacier....as long as ALL the climbers buy into it... So what's the matter Dave, did you step in some dog dookie? Or did you take a dump up there and feel a little guilt for not packing it out? ..... all in good fun...

Here's an info request I received thru an email list I'm on. ( fyi, I've deleted some text from the message that was only applicable to the organization it was originally sent to.) -----Original Message----- From: Olympicmarmots@aol.com [mailto:Olympicmarmots@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:59 PM To: info@ Subject: Olympic marmots Hello, I am a wildlife biologist studying Olympic marmots. There is convincing evidence that the marmots have declined in some areas and I am trying to determine the extent of this decline. To do so, I need historic records precisely locating marmot colonies in space and time. It has occured to me that some of your members may have photos, journal entries, etc that would serve this purpose. Is there anyway that I can reach your membership with a request for these kinds of records? If we are to determine the cause of the decline of the marmots, we must know how widespread this decline is. Thank you very much, S Cox Griffin Wildlife Biology Program University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812

yeah, the acid was laced with all SORTS of stuff in the 70's....

So how many of you/us feel justified driving in the HOV lane on 520 with just 2 people in the car? (where the sign specifies 3) When I lived on the eastside I did it quite often, esp when I needed to get over the water to Pub Club in a hurry.

what grade(s) are you targeting? make sure you stop by the info board near the main parking/picnic area to check for raptor closures. The previous thread has loads of info about where to camp for free. Have you called the park office recently to check on snow conditions? elevation there = 6,000' +

Make a little z-pulley at the end to cinch 'er tight, and if you don't have any friends to help you pull you can always use a garden tractor or a Subaru....just be sure someone is taking video.......... A Gri-gri and a short piece of static rope worked into the system could ease the setup, too.

Thanks Chriss. some of the fam is in Edmond. check your PMs.

It's a GREAT way to work on broken ankles and wrists, too. I can't think of one single better way to improve my climbing......

Will, why don't you send your gear sling to Minx so she can try it out for a couple of climbs? I suspect she might front the postage for the opportunity to try it on. Maybe it will even smell good when she gives it back to you....

Look at the bar tacking (is it worn, abraded?), look a the webbing where it goes thru the buckles, look at webbing at the tie in points for wear, look for burrs and wear on the buckles, is the webbing stiff or brittle anywhere?? Black Diamond specifies 3 years of use, or 5 years of storage...if I recall correctly. I agree about the peace of mind thing...if you're worring about it then it's time to upgrade. Few things worse than having the mental clutter of whether your harness is OK before you make that commiting airy move. (Picture making the recently touted first few moves of Canary p2 in a harness you have doubts about.)

I'm planning to spend some time with family in Oklahoma (godforsaken place that it is...) and have had my eye on the W Mtns for a few years now. Looking at the photos, it really reminds me of Idaho's City of Rocks in a lot of ways. Anyone have any first hand beta on the area? I'll probably be looking for a partner for a couple days near the end of April if anyone's planning on being down there.... http://www.rockclimbing.com/routes/listArea.php?AreaID=2798 http://southwest.fws.gov/refuges/oklahoma/Wichita/ http://home.flash.net/~hangdog/guidebooksales.html http://www.wichitamountains.org/

I'm currently unemployed and plan to catch up on some long overdue rock climbing this spring....

Hidden in this thread is the start of a list of places the larger 'groups' will be this spring and summer. Should we make a special thread for this info somewhere? *********************************** edit: Hell, I'll just cut and paste the info in here.... BOEALPS: March 20, Mt. Erie, basic rock field trip March 27, Horsethief, intermediate rock field trip May 1, Smith, intermediate rock field tip May 22, Squamish, intermediate rock field trip April 24/25*, Leavenworth, joint class rock field trip Bellingham Mounties: March 27, Mt. Erie, basic rock 1 April 17/18, Skaha, BC, basic rock 2 Kitsap Mounties: April 17, Mt. Erie, intermediate rock (rescue) May 8, Leavenworth, intermediate rock 1 June 19/20, Leavenworth, intermediate rock 2 Tacoma Mounties: April 24 or 25, Spire Rock, basic rock 1 May 15 or 16, Leavenworth, basic rock 2 April 17/18, (location TBD), intermediate rock 1 May 1/2, (location TBD), intermediate rock 2 Olympia Mounties: May 15/16 or May 22/23, (location TBD), basic rock weekend June 5/6, (location TBD), intermediate rock 1 June 19/20, (location TBD), intermediate rock 2 Seattle Mounties*: April 3/4, Mt. Erie, basic rock 2 March 20/21, Leavenworth, intermediate rock 1 March 27/28, Leavenworth, intermediate rock 1 April 17/18, Leavenworth, intermediate rock 2 April 3/4, Leavenworth, crag course rock 1 April 10/11, Leavenworth, crag rock 2 May 8/9, Leavenworth/Vantage, crag rock 3 May 29/30, Leavenworth/others, crag rock 4 April 10/11, Vantage, Big wall course rock 1 May 8/9, Index, Big wall rock 2 Everett Mounties: April 17/18*, Leavenworth, basic rock 2 March 27/28, Leavenworth, intermediate rock 1 April 24/25, Royal Columns, intermediate rock 2 April 24/25, Leavenworth, crag course rock 1 May 8/9, Royal Columns, crag rock 2 May 22/23, Vantage, crag rock 3 June 5/6, Squamish, crag rock 4 Tacoma Mounties: April 17/18, Squamish , intermediate rock 1 May 1/2, Leavenworth , intermediate rock 2 (Sat - spread out in small groups; Sun - Barney's Rubble) * = means I would guess that this gathering would be on the larger size, you know "mountie size". Doesn't mean the other gatherings won't be large though Washington Alpine Club Sat, March 27th Mt. Si Sat, April 3rd Spire Rock Sat, April 10th Spire Rock Sat, April 17th Mt. Erie Sat & Sun, May 1st-2nd Snoqualmie Pass Fri/Sat/Sun, May 7/8/9th Tooth and Commonwealth Basin Fri/Sat/Sun, May 14/15/16th Tooth and Commonwealth Basin Sat/Sun, May 22nd-23rd Nisqually Glacier Sat & Sun, June 5-6th Mt. Baker-Easton Gl Route Sat & Sun, June 12th-13th Mt. Baker-Easton Gl Route (usually)