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arrrrrrrrrghhh...

naw - he still climbs (and to my limited knowledge, at a higher grade on rock than you - come climb both pitches of flying swallow and flying dutchman w/ me this summer and we can both see how we measure up to what he's done) but he doesn't have the same alpine ambitions as you, john - he doesn't do big mtns/ice/extreme adventure stuff. similiar to you, i don't understand how anyone can love and be so good at one part of the equation and be so lackadasical about the other, but that's the way it is. at any rate, jim opdyke considers him as a son, and that's good enough for me to stick up for him, regardless of him climbing el cap or anything else, 10 years ago or 10 minute. i think well of you too, so let's just talk about climbing, which we all love in one form or another, in whatever shape we find ourselves in, from the depths of our slothful torpor or the zenith of our driven training routine. i'd add, i generally like chestbeating - for fucks sake, what's the point of doing something if you can't get a crowd of nameless/faceless fucks to salute you for it? does anyone really think we've evolved away from our simian, primitive need to vindicate our preternatural excursions (our meaningless combats, far from the eyes of the world, as terray put it?) dood, you sound like a PNW'er...get in touch with your inner Least Coast Asshole please...

don't get all soft on me...i need to be able to vent at the cube farm or i'm gonna explode here...

John, i think you are great 90% of the time, but man, seriously, sometimes you post shit that just gets me rollin'...People that know you personally and well obviously don't see it the same way i do, so i am completely reading it wrong, likely...

yes big man w/ little boy complex...you are much more subtle nowadays...you thought you were subtle on GP but were informed otherwise...now, you drop a grade, propose that it is completely moderate and hint that if you aren't climbing that level then you don't know what up...of course, reading between the lines, a reader is left with the impression that such a grade is a mere casual stroll to you, oh great one... very subtle john, your chestbeats have become far more "subtle" and silky... don't you have a mark twat idolation seminar to attend???

Pink may have climbed el cap eight times or whatever and yes that is super rad but what has he done lately? When was the last time he climbed el cap? Was it in this decade? Pink reminds me of the classic "Uncle Rico Napoleon Dynamite" type... sure he may have taken his HS team to State and loves to tell you about it but you ask him what is going on in his life now and you get a blank stare... maybe pink is retired from climbing? John...please shut the fuck up...people age, they quit climbing, they move on, maybe they come back, maybe they don't...maybe they don't train compulsively anymore...maybe they really do go and climb moderates only moderates now and don't feel the need to *chestbeat* girth pillar style...

whatever...you'd be digging that...

fuggit...i hate my goddamn job... I'm going to stick this out for the year, and then i'm going on sabbatical...i'm not kidding... Oh, and bug, i finished that one project and just got tossed into a worse situation...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK THIS>..

my point is he completely sprays these little nuggets without any substantive weight behind him... it is true, as he pointed out, that 5.13 is becoming commonplace; however, his wording (and i believe it to be on purpose) leaves the reader with the impression that NOLSe is climbing at this "moderate" standard. He may, or he may not be, and that is irrelevent...He should not be coy though...

so these guys are gonna call dibs, right?? FENDERFUCK, please post a warning for all to see!!

ha...that's some funny shit!

* H O N K * gee, thanks for your little nugget of wisdom...

Oh...and i'd like to hear about the sub v12-v10 boulder prob's that you hike since they are all like substandard and shit too...

So, let's hear the 5.13 count that you've ticked...you know, since its all moderate and shit... THis is just like your f-ing little neutrino shit on girth...it makes you sound all badass and shit without any meat behind it...

forgot Fantasy Crack...favorite 2 pitch 5.8 for me...

Burning Calves Roy's Lament Can I do It until I need Glasses Snake Dike CPF was fun

I call bullshit. "moderate" has little to do with what the world's best athletes are doing. "moderate" has to do with what a majority of the athletes are doing. A synonym of "moderate" is "average". The world's best marathon runners can finish in a little over 2 hours. By your definition, a "moderate" finishing time would be around 3 hours. After all, 3 to 3.5 hours is achievable if you train. In truth, less than 10% of marathon runners finish in less than 3.5 hours. The average is 4.5 hours to finish. Sorry, I had to bring some logic into the discussion. Using slipstream as an example the majority of the climbing world doesnt find WI4+ hard... just all the NW punters 5.13 doesnt make the mags anymore because more of the population is climbing it... as standards rise so does (or should) the ability level of the "next generation" just out of curiousity, how many "moderate" 5.13's have you sent, john?

this is not a good method, unless several precautions are taken with the "chest" rigging...I would stick with a full body harness or buy a chest harness to compliment the sit harness. I would not do this...

1-low pressure and other kids helped. for gear, all of the kid specific stuff is almost identical...go for cheap...they don't wear the stuff out... 2-already gave most of my stuff away...

whatever...saw you kickin' around the mothership this weekend...

whatever assworked...

actually, catturdeat, the level of spray coming out of dorkter doom was unbelievable, so yeah it kinda surprised me...