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remember, builder206 only WORKS 50% of the time he's at "work"...

this thread is just stoopud...

hey kevdumbass... why don't you consider this...Imagine one day that little miles walks up to you and mommy and says: "Which is the worse in your opinion? Pot (which crazy Michael Savage thinks is the worst on the planet) Heroin Crack Cocaine Caffeine Nicotine Alcohol I can’t believe cigarettes and alcohol are legal but the rest are not. Seems a little messed up…… and do you like to snort or shoot coke, daddy?" Stupid is as stupid does...

builder206, what do you do for a living??

well said, kk...

i love it when non engineeers talk to enginerds... :-)

i'm not suggesting epoxying expansion bolts...duh...

okay rudy, gas pockets in granodiorite? my god! likely the bolt was drilled into an inclusion of country rock (not granodiorite, specifically the original rock in the area which the magma intruded), which was obviously weaker. I have not personally examined this section of the cliff but I know the general area is ripe with such features. Also, you don't get gas pockets in granitic-type rocks. This is because of the generalized cooling time... the magma cools very slowly due to the heat and where its located beneath the surface the earth. Volcanic rocks that have gas bubbles (like basalt) is due to the rapid cooling process atop the land surface. More probable than not, the bolt pulled because the rock quality in the section of the cliff is poor and with the outward thrust of quickdraw/rope it was yanked free. As for the integrety of the bolts question: really one should ask is why was this crap bolted in first place. I mean seriously, the bolter totally overlooked resurrecting perfectly good cracks to the right (inbetween spaghetti sauce and "beast") which were full of dirt and forgotten-- now cleaned up a bit with a few more ascents. one is 11- and one is 10-. -Yeah the "beast" is cool looking and yep, its steep, powerful and hard climbing but honestly do you think all sections of cliff should be climbed? Anyrate, I imagine any bolt there will eventually work loose and fallout due to the grainy nature of the rock. Differential Erosion at work again. I will grant that bovinewarts knows his rock...

as far as "shitty steel", i was referencing your comment about "bad bolts"...but maybe I should've said "shitty placement"? bolt binding in the hole is an indicator that your bit is worn and you've consequently drilled the hole too small... FWIW there was a rash of bad steel rawl bolts out there in the 90's...knockoffs that carried the rawl markings.. I can guarantee you that a properly installed epoxy bolt will fail the steel before you fail the bond even in hard rock...are you trying to really tell me that the rock won't bond while the steel (pretty slick and hard, wouldn't you say?) will??? 5 piece bolts do have their place...

over 30 bolts does not an expert make... sorry bud, hardly an expert...i have a hard time seeing a bolt made of shitty steel bending from the driving...not gonna happen unless the hole is seriously undersized...then you have a bigger deal to worry about... I can just give you the engineering side of bolts buried in concrete...rock is too fickle...hell those bolts could've have been fine but there could've been gas pockets in the vicinity of the holes... the best deal is to use a properly placed epoxied bolt, period....FWIW, WSDOT and IBC do not even allow mechanical bolts for shock loading...go figure...

Sobo, as i responded to Arch, this is my dream job...that's why i haven't said "FUCK THIS"...i'm just burnt out, and the worst part is i don't want to feel that way...

Funny you should say that A...that is one of the things keeping me from squeezing the trigger...the other one is this damn "guilt" shit...everytime i get serious about it, i read about food shortages, talk to a bum, blah blah blah... seriously, my company would take me back...its an awesome company, my fellow staff absolutely rock, my boss is really solid and respectable, the projects are world class...i'm just siiiiiick of it...i feel so bad about not liking it anymore... this is why i haven't bothered to look at other firms...i don't think i can beat this one...or my job...i just don't want do it anymore...

No...not at all...

you are absolutely smokin' crack...you must be hangin with that kevretard kid too much...

has no effect if its a 5 piece expansion bolt...

more what i was thinking is "did it recharge your batteries to get you re-stoked on what you were doing, or did you wind up saying Fuck it permanently?"

trying to keep ahead of boner's post count? no...i'm trying to make him go away...think it'll work??

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no

personal leave of abscence or a sabbatical?? Thoughts? Repercussions to one's careers??

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Kevin can't count that high...there's probably a miscount...

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