Honestly I think that by late October it is going to be way too COLD for little ones to have any fun camping. it drops well below freezing at night and with wind chill even in a down jacket I shiver all day even in the sun ( experience first or second weekend of november last year.) If you all want to get something going next spring when it warms back up, I will be totaly up for that. I will freeze my own ass off, but not my babys'