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amne one coin... two sides... I T IS ALL DUMB

rock climbing is becomming a more commen sport with more and more "yuppies" participating. this means there are more *easier* routes being put up and more helmets and *safety measurs* out there. it is not longer a sport for risk takers and individualists. any one with a few hundred dollars thinks they can climb. and they can. but I would say the more *safety* meauures there are out there the more the false security exisits and luls inexperienced climbers into thinking they don't neeed basic outdoor skills or to train there asses off. IMHO

Then by that same logic there should be a mandatory helmet law for climbers, just like motorcyclists... one day that logic will go all to far and there will be a law agains motorcycleing and rock climbing. it is sad that people can't mind there own buisness. eventulay there could be laws against playing with your children... tickeling...runnning...and any other thing that *might* cause harm. getting out of bed in the morning is a risk, each person has to determin how much of a risk they are willing to take. Then they have to take responsabilty for that risk, and accept what ever consequences come from that.

RIGHT ON

I didn't know any one would miss me

that is totaly shitty Carolyn

I think that is the most important thing you can do when you are in a new area... but again that is just my oppinion.

That was awsome Rumr hey I will be out there on the 11th.... TIS THE SEASON

I am bipolar an an exercise in extreams

I wil think of you guys

by the by, having climbed in the area once, I think it is easy to get on the wrong route...or under estimate the dificulty of the climbing... I am glad all will recover.

If you bat your eyelashes enough, you can get away with it. It doesn't work for me, but I know it works for Ms. Muffington. hey when do I get to be a seasond climber????

if accidents were 100% prevntable they would never happen. each person must take risk where they feel comfortable and then accept the consequences. I rarely wear a helmet when cragging. especialy sport cragging, generaly only if I lead. asking questions is okay, but telling seasond climbers that you think you might know more than they do is a mistake.

I wish this wasn't a 7 hour drive I hope you guys have fun

all the chatterers gone

Just like climbing - Ya gotta train! and like climbing you need to go at your own level or you are gunna have a nasty epic.

I think organizing a breakfast is a great Idea... I will bring my 2 burrner coleman

I so can't wait

I realy miss trask.. nothing like a man who says exactly what he is, and then IS THAT.

GOOD it'll save me from packing one this year Better bring some beer and/or some dried salad fixins. Storage doesn't come cheap. youe beer wish is my comand

GOOD it'll save me from packing one this year

EUGENE collms wed. August 18 6:30 ish be there

Don't you mean "because they bulge"?

can I vote again?????