tried climbing ranier on maple bars and strawberry frosted pop-tarts and made some art work at about 11,000 that looked like a 'jack the dripper' painting.
give em the option of sliding down a razorblade stair rail into a pool of rubbing alcohol, swallowing a live rat(with claws of course) or getting their eye lids carved off and being left in the desert. THAT is justice.
Is Rainier considered high altitude mountaineering? Not slaggin' on ya, just curious.
anywhere people vomit climbing i would venture to say i high altitude... especially when people live at 5 feet and go to 14,000 the next day.