scott_harpell

If you do get an older car and end up needing parts, try places like pull-a-part and the like and you can get $300 parts for $5. That is what I have done and have never had a problem.

NOLSEY....?

bwa ha ha ha ha!

for cheap and gas friendly, nissan or mazda 2WD pick-up truck. can sleep in the back and store your stuff and it gets great gas mileage in the 5 spd. tranny.

aw CBS... well if you get a little break and want to hit the gym, we could carpool. let me know.

I don't need a brain scan to tell me that Dems are wishy washy "sunset-feeling" voters.

Do you know much about cars? I can do just about anything to mine and so I bought an 82' and it is still running perfect. If you don't know a lot about cars, I would at the very least take the prospective car to an auto shop and they will charge $50 to run the car through and will tell you what is likely to go tits up first and how long it looks like (estimate) that it will last. hope that helps. -Scott

I am assuming that since NOLSE is 10 times more knowledgable about this route and about the situation, he has some vested interest in it and likely knows the party involved. I am assuming that he is passing on word of the conflict brewing here and elsewhere. If this is not so NOLSE feel free to correct but I would think that if you know them as much as you imply you do that you would pass this info on.

Yeah, I am comming down tonight at like 1:00 AM and wouldn't mind trying to get out somewhere. Might just have to hit the gym, but I bet there will be shit to get on.

I am comming down to crank. You up for it old man?

You are hyperbolizing the stance that I take and making an assumption about an entirely different poster which may or not be true. I believe that bolts do indeed have their place but if heinous transgression of established ethics are breached, their welcome may be repealed. Trying to paint me as more polarized than I truly am will do nothing to credit your cause. If you really want your side to be validated and heard, you must not vaguely imply that the provided information is false but rather prove it false with first-hand knowledge or second hand knowledge from the first ascentionist. If you want to make any case for this route you must divulge the information crucial for determining the style of the route and its creation. Many are surprised that after all this fan-fare the first ascentionists have not come out of the wood work to defend their piece. You are their sole defender and are not even willing to describe the route in question. Another question that can?t helped be begged is this: Why create a route with so much conflict surrounding it that no-one can actually climb it? -Scott

NOLSE, I don't need a topo to find it. I am not looking for an easy way to fin this route so that I can chop it. I am merely asking if you have the information about the climb that you are implying refutes the statements made by other posters. If you do, I would think it wise to get it out now. How about this. You don't give any information about the location of the climb or even the aspect if that so suits you. What I feel we deserve and need is an honest description of the route, the methods used in its creation and if in your opinion this route is in-keeping with the currently held ethic in the area. If this is indeed much-ado abotu nothing, then we can lay the matter to rest. If the communities' concerns are indeed valid, the necessary steps will be taken to remedy the situation. This need not be a personal vendetta to somehow screw me out of the information. I suggest we put personal matters aside and try and help the community work out solutions to the problems that divide our community. This is bigger than one route or one ego. It encompasses future access and the possibility for future solidarity in this community. -Scott

Or a certain incident in a borrowed sleeping bag by an infamous cc.com poster.

J.P. it is only reasonable that something so controversial as this have its contents aired to the community. This has far reaching implications far beyond one climb or a "couple bolts." This sets a dangerous precedence that many in the community wish never becomes established. Your reluctance to divulge information vital to the communties understanding of this route because of personal reasons or to defend this route from the consensus of the community is irresponsible and childish. There are many involved in this scenario which are far more upset about this than I and unless the facts are aired, this route will be history and the bolts that adorned it will be adorning the living room of the aforementioned individuals. I hope you understand that you being open and honest about this route will not have any effect on its fate either way. The truth will come out one way or another. The thing you are risking right now J.P. is a further polarization of two sides that are already at odds. If you truly have the best interests of the community and the sport at heart you will make the info you have public so that this controversy may run its course before tempers and fellins of ill-will become any more apart of this than they already are. -Scott

I did. I think a copy editor is gonna get canned over this!

Her...

Well NOLSE knows what the deal is, but he is tight lipped about it. Word on the street is that he or one of his buddies did it and that is why he is so vehemenently defending it. If he would just say what the deal with the route is, it would clear a lot of things up but it seems he is unwilling to do this.

Well, the people who know where it is wont say where it is. They also seem to have a personal interest in the climb. This to me seems mighty suspicious.

CBS has gone aggro!

NetenYahoo was really trying to demolish this whole enterprise. That man will have a special place in hell I am sure.

A big update in middle east politics today is the recent accepting of the gaza withdrawl plan of Sharon. This seems like a step in the right direction. Of course, the religious right on both sides are crying bloody murder, but at this point I would like to leave them out of it.

brb... switching classes.

I think he has changed his view in order to more align himself with his base. Why does it take 4 years to clarify your position?!? He voted for the war and then he said that there was absolutely no reason why we should have ever gone to war with Iraq. Figure that one out ace.

ChucK, I am saying that Kerry supported the War. That is all there is. If you can say that voting for a war, demanding a regime change, and calling Saddam a terrorist oh and saying that he had WMD and not be in support of this war, he is either the biggest doulbe-speaker in the world or just a liar... tke your pick.