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yea I have to try and get out there soon. When are you all going again?

was one of the 3 my friend Kevin S? He climbed it around the same time with two others. He called to rub it in..lol

glad to hear you like the convert 2 as I just bought one to replace my walrus rappeed xv. Are you going to review it? thanks

If you can find them as I think they are discontinued try the Marmot Mutant mitts the have the trigger finger and padded knuckles. they have a removable liner and a driclime lining [img:left]http://i11.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/30/fb/5175_1.JPG[/img]

it's a long size though as to the brooks rangers..I also have a pair of old school wild country ones fit pretty good. when I go it will be the West buttress route. Yea I'm trying to train as I usually have 30lbs in my pack max and am not used to taking everything.

thanks for the advice and I have no disrespect for Denali. Yea after what you all said it makes sense not to carry the extra foot of down on the long bags. My other bag that is a regular is plenty big to fit my water bottle and boot liners in. I agree about it getting cold if too much space is in it to warm up. I have a good tent (new north face ve-25), ice 9000 boots and brooks overboots, wild things andinista pack, though now I have to look into a good stove as I only have canister stoves. The reason I asked about the The north face Inferno bag was the store I work at carries that brand and I could get it cheap. It's not on sale but I could get it for a good price. I think I am just going to look into Feathered friends or some other well made USA bags. I will get rid of my Moonstone cassin ridge long bag. looking at feathered friends site it shows a -25 bag as the most used in Alaska. Is that the way to go and not a -40? thanks all

Ok trying to get my gear for a future Denali trip and very cold winter climbing. I have an old moonstone down bag zone 2 800 fill that is rated for -15 with liner that I don't think will be warm enough for me for denali but fine for most winter camping in the lower 48. I also got an old Moonstone cassin ridge 800 made in usa -20 bag that is a long and won't work with the liner I have from the other bag as the liner is too short. I can also get a real good deal on a new north face -40 inferno 800 fill down bag but they only make them in long (not sure why). I'm 5'8" and was wondering if the almost extra foot of space would be a problem in the cassin or inferno bag? how much foot space to you all have in your bags? Would it be best for me to get rid of the long bag and find the correct size? thanks much

ah the dumb things you buy on ebay to outfit your 12" GI Joe

how did I come across this....lol it's called bored at work and surfing the net...very interesting though....I almost thought it was just an old link or mistake

yea in the ice lite I think I got the last pair of 9.5 and I got my girl the pro ice in here smaller size...I wish they had the summit boots in size 9ish..lol yea now they have only size 7.5 and below

well not sure if they are the lightest but sure are cheap!!! asolo route alpine boots at $95.96 they are worth checking out also check out my post in On-Line/Mail-Order Gear Shops section about some insane mountaineering boot sale at zappos.com the link to cheap boots thread

wow go to zappos.com it's weird if you look in there mountaineering and climbing boots they don't have these items listed.....but if you specific search for asolo summit boots they have them for $121 and free shipping summit boots and same with salomon pro ice boots for $81.95 and free shipping salmon pro ice boots and salomon ice light gtx boots for $76.95 and free shipping ice lite wow for around $150.00 I got me and my girl a new set of matching orange ice climbing boots!!!!!! I had to pass this on

thanks all that is the kind of info I needed...will seamgrip them up and just use them in spring summer....and start looking for some winter boots... maybe these..lol

I have used the search and see lots of people use these boots. I tried the all black and orange pairs and they did not fit me so well then I got a new pair of the Mcdonalds red, yellow, black ones very cheap new and but these ones fit me. the black ones were made in Italy and the new ones are made in Rumania. I would like to know those of you with these boots do you use seam grip on all seams or just use them out of the box. would you use them on winter climbs with overboots? and how is the durability? thanks all

yea they only gave me one of them.....I'm not sure if I am going to keep it or ebay it..lol... as I only got in a week of ice climbing this last winter and I am hoping to take a two week vacation this summer some place to climb but not sure.......but it is also the only thing I have ever won so that is way cool...maybe I will find one of the other who won won and see if they want the other tool......

anyone know anything good about these? I just got it in the mail after winning the contest in climbing magazine a few months ago....

well I got one pair of ems ones in the past they have a different color and they are foam/plastic not cork and the surface matarial is different. I like the cork ones much better. I just bought a five pack for all my shoes for less than the cost of one pair super feet. the ems ones are kinda like the insole that comes with a pair of Kayland boots which is much better than most.....another good brand is SOF...when I was in the marines they issued us them and they are great for comfort but are kinda almost too cushy unless you are marching for days. I still have my origanal pair after 8 years of use (4 years active duty-4 years reserves)and if I get called back I will use them again-or the cork ones as they seem to work better with wetness

I too have been searching and found the cheapest but high quality one made by the "walking company" you can get a 5 pack on ebay for $20.00 they are super high quality and made of cork. I bought "down unders" for 29.00 and hate them these are much better...superfeet hurt my feet and I hate them. these walking ones are the best bang for the buck and they sell EMS ones too that are not bad also. here is a link to them insoles check them out for the price you can't beat them. I bought 6 pairs for all my shoes and have been very happy with them

I got a pair of those Kayland spider shoes on sale for about 50.00 they are the best and climb great...hard part is finding them as for those low top garmonts (dragon tail) that have the crampon compatable sole. I saw a pair on ebay my size but I got outbid and lost they sold for about 40.00 new on ebay by this one seller for some time then they sold out of all sizes...

Well I used the new sportiva Jannu on a Mt washington, NH climb and ice climbing for a week early January with good weather 11 deg F average. They were kinda warm but my feet soaked the boots the first hour on the approach as they do not breath at all and the gaitor was like a sponge. also sportiva should have made the top of the gaitor breathable not coated curdura like they did so they wont hold all the moister. The boots never dried out the whole time I used them. You have to use a VBL with these boots...one other thing i did not like about them was the insulation on the gaitor only goes to the rand..under the rand (around the toes) has no insulation. The old Onesport jannu did not have this problem as it was fully insulated...On the good side they are kinda light, very very comfortable, and have quite a bit of flex...but they have a steel shank (old technology) that even though is supposed to be insulated I bet conducts cold..why did they just not put a plastic one or that ibo thermo stuff...I think the nuptse would be a better boot (warmer easier to dry) attached is a photo of me with the jannus...I think they are the ugliest Moon boots...my climbing partner said I looked like some wierd euro with them on.. I would wait and go with the nuptse over the jannu...I think the ice 9000 would be warmer even yet but very expensive...I was going to get the nuptse to replace the jannus but now I just will use my trango ice boots with over boots if it gets cold..seems like a good combination so far...good luck with your boot hunt....dan

Yea I am just going to keep them...the more I try them on the better they feel..and so light....I am going on a ice trip to Upper michigan in a week or two and will test them out....still got to get used to that gaitor though...dan

well I e-mailed sportiva asking what was differnt in terms of warmth ect with the ice and extremes S. the web site even shows that the ibo termo is different and those who have handled the two boots say they don't feel the "foam insulation" in the extreme s. And one is all synthetic and one is partial leather. also I asked about the last and if they were the same as others had fitting issues. I e-mailed sportiva all these questions and got a very simple e-mail back: "They both have 100g of Aluminia insulation, thus being the same warmth. We are sold out in the Trango Ice right now until March. I do have some sizes available in the Trango Extreme S. Randy Levensaler Customer Service Representative La Sportiva N.A., Inc."

just wondering if anyone has a pair of the new trango extreme s in size 42 that would want to trade for a new pair of trango ice boots? I have not used them but they are past the 30 day return policy...I just hate to cut the gaitor off....a expensive boot. thanks all

thanks for the photos...I think I may try a pair of the extreme S's as you say they fit bigger...I had nepals in size 42 and they fit great and I got rid of them (I hate myself for it) so I got trango ice's and sportiva Jannu (very different boot) boots in 42 to seek out my new perfect boot and the jannus are too much boot and the trango ice boots are snugger on my toes...I get cold feet easy and would be better off with a bigger fitting boot. Any one want to trade a trango extreme s for a new trango ice??? (had to try)....... since you have handled the boots is the new extreme S made out of paritial leather??? or is it fully synthetic as the ice? thanks for all the info...also were can you get the trango extreme S boots??? thanks again

I thought the Trango Extreme S which you said is uninsulated was insulated with that alumina stuff and thicker Ibi thermo (that is what sportiva says)? I was going to get rid of my trango ice boots and get the trango extreme S cause it has a lace top (I hate the velcro top and gaitor too) and should be warmer and the same weight. Wow if what you say is true i will just modify my trango ice boots. how did you add the lace eyelets? you have a pick of the modified boot? thanks much for all the help