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but how can you argue against the results? we went from having practically zero army to having the best military on the earth! what's the point of having all that ocean between us and the evil-doers if we can't just chill out and drink beer all day? The results? We were not even prepared to fight in Europe until like 1943. And in the meantime, the Nazis killed millions and the Brits suffered horribly standing their ground. the results = we won and took relatively few casualties compared to other belligerents again, then, would you have proposed in the 1930s taking the shovels out of the hands of all the wpa folks and giving them rifles instead and sending them across the ocean to fix what the euros were perfectly capable of fixing themselves? tvash is right - we would have taken casualties, adn likely far more casualties at that, if we'd played aggressor in asia and europe instead of isolationists

Ah yes, Patton - strung up by the press for striking a soldier. How ethics have changed. " The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks." George S. Patton so do you admire the man or not? surely the world would have ended up much worse if he had been succesful in precipating a conflict w/ the ussr in 1945?

but how can you argue against the results? we went from having practically zero army to having the best military on the earth! what's the point of having all that ocean between us and the evil-doers if we can't just chill out and drink beer all day?

are you saying then that the USA should have kept a large military after ww1 and pre-emptively invaded germany in the 30s?

seriously, when is the demilitirazation of our nation EVER going to happen? it made sense to defy our historical tradition of maintaining only a skeletal standing army after ww2 under the looming and palpably massive threat of the ussr, but that's gone. the threats that remain do not begin to justify our gross expenditures that have inevitably corrupted our politics and foreign policy and domestic priorities. what was wrong with the military model we used for our first 150 years as a country?

now THAT is funny would be fun to see one of those editorials you refer to so the primary document itself coudl be sujbected to endless, inane, yet diverting, distraction

Wikipedia's entry on Heston's: Political activism Charlton Heston (left) with Marlon Brando, James Baldwin, and Harry Belafonte at Civil Rights March 1963. Heston with United States President Ronald Reagan during a meeting for the Presidential Task Force on the Arts and Humanities in the White House Cabinet Room, 1981.Heston campaigned for Presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and John F. Kennedy in 1960.[11] When an Oklahoma movie theater premiering his movie was segregated, he joined a picket line outside in 1961.[12] During the civil rights march held in Washington, D.C. in 1963, he accompanied Martin Luther King Jr. In later speeches, Heston said he helped the civil rights cause, "long before Hollywood found it fashionable."[13] Following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, Heston and actors Gregory Peck, Kirk Douglas and James Stewart issued a statement calling for support of President Johnson's Gun Control Act of 1968.[14][15] He opposed the Vietnam War and said he voted for Richard Nixon in 1972.[16] By the 1980s, Heston opposed affirmative action, supported gun rights and changed his political affiliation from Democratic to Republican.[17] He campaigned for Republicans and Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan,[18] George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush.[19] Heston resigned from Actors Equity, claiming the union's refusal to allow a white actor to play a Eurasian role in "Miss Saigon" was "obscenely racist."[20] He said CNN's telecasts from Baghdad were "sowing doubts" about the allied effort in the 1990-91 Gulf War.[20] At a Time Warner stockholders meeting, he castigated the company for releasing an Ice-T album which included the song "Cop Killer", which depicted the killing of police officers.[21] According to his autobiography In the Arena, Heston recognized the right of freedom of speech exercised by others. In a 1997 speech, he rhetorically deplored a culture war he said was being conducted by a generation of media, educators, entertainers, and politicians against: "...the God fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle- class Protestant-or even worse, evangelical Christian, Midwestern or Southern- or even worse, rural, apparently straight-or even worse, admitted heterosexuals, gun-owning-or even worse, NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff-or even worse, male working stiff-because, not only don’t you count, you are a down-right obstacle to social progress. Your voice deserves a lower decibel level, your opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant, and frankly, mister, you need to wake up, wise up, and learn a little something from your new-America and until you do, would you mind shutting up?"[22] In an address to students at Harvard Law School entitled Winning the Cultural War, Heston said, "If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys - subjects bound to the British crown."[23] He went on: "The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of wise old dead white guys who invented our country! Now some flinch when I say that. Why! Its true-they were white guys! So were most of the guys that died in Lincoln’s name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is “Hispanic Pride” or “Black Pride” a good thing, while “White Pride” conjures shaven heads and white hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated by many as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I’ll tell you why, Cultural warfare!" He later stated, "Political correctness is tyranny with manners."[24] Heston accepting a presentation rifle at 2000 NRA convention with the now well-known exclamation "From my cold, dead hands!"Heston was the president and spokesman of the NRA from 1998 until he resigned in 2003. At the 2000 NRA convention, he raised a rifle over his head and declared that a potential Al Gore administration would take away his Second Amendment rights "from my cold, dead hands."[25] In announcing his resignation in 2003, he again raised a rifle over his head, repeating the five famous words of his 2000 speech.[26] He was an honorary life member.[26] In the 2002 documentary film Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore interviewed Heston in his home, asking him about an April 1999 NRA meeting held shortly after the Columbine high school massacre, in Denver, Colorado. Moore criticized Heston for the perceived thoughtlessness in the timing and location of the meeting. Heston, on-camera, excused himself and walked out. Moore was later criticized for his perceived ambush.[27][28][29] Actor George Clooney joked about Heston's failing health at a 2003 National Board of Review award ceremony, saying that Heston "announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer's." When questioned, Clooney said Heston deserved whatever was said about him for his involvement with the NRA.[30] Heston responded by saying Clooney lacked class, and said he felt sorry for Clooney, as Clooney had as much of a chance of developing Alzheimer's as anyone else.[31] Heston opposed abortion and gave the introduction to a 1987 pro-life documentary by Bernard Nathanson called Eclipse of Reason which focuses on late-term abortions. Heston served on the Advisory Board of Accuracy in Media, a conservative media watchdog group founded by Reed Irvine.[32]

it was hard not to like ole'charlie - as a kid i really dug on the movie version he starred in of the short story "leinigen versus the ants" as well as the super-sweet "omega man"

"all we are is dust in the wind, dude"

Such nice sentiments coming from someone who doesn't know shit about the man. Good journey, Chuck. You'll be missed. More love from the left. Someone dies with whom they disagreed, and it's time to dance on the grave, and sling shit. hey, us lefties don't believe in jeebus, so why should we respect the dead?

ah yes. given enough time, obama too will have opposed civil rights legislation and roe v. wade; he too will have wished to bomb iran and further the occupation of iraq. obama too will come to oppose health care coverage for children and veto anti-torture legislation. it all makes sense now. given enough time, everyone will turn into.... an extremist republican.

they already looked fine and climbable last thursday

seems a shame not to have at least a token picture of rock climbin in w/ all those others - no doubt tvash can 'shop it up a bit and insert a few moons and bacon-bits to make it tastier **** removed to protect the innocent ****** feel free to give me shit for frenching on the piece while clipping it - my interest in falling on a single 8 mm cord in the middle of fuck was quite low koflachs - so hawt for edging!

what kinda file?

the unabomber'd know!

waiting for the worms - pink floyd worms - the pogues "The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out The ones that crawl in are lean and thin The ones that crawl out are fat and stout Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out Your brains come tumbling down your snout Be merry my friends Be merry"

no better way to feel yer a man than to piss on some folks epic plan to ascend the icicle-buttress-wand!

can't remember bill - have i treated you to the all hip-belay ascent of the se corner that i like so much? it really wigs out the younger crowd i've found i don't even think jim notices!

i'm in a teacher's union and it isn't anathema to me to see higher pay for jobs that are actually harder to fill - that seems like straight market economics to me - if you wanna reduce my pay so you can pay a math teacher more though that will be pissing me off, as well as insinuating that what i teach (social studies) is less valuable that math/science in the grand scheme of things.

last year's was much more of a rock-climbing fest as i recall - looks like this year'll be different!

yes abject poverty

don't know if it's for me, but "rastaman chant" was bob marley's memorial song and a damned fitting one

i'd imagine the road will be open by the end of the month, but cna't imagine it being much earlier

screw the cordelletes - just use the climbing rope - much simpler and faster

versus private school, which is not enough school, and too much fucking jesus I go to private school and we definitely do enough school that's b/c you don't go to a private school in the united states of jeebus