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seems to me 99% of the folks here are opposed to power drilling hand drilling by its laborious nature oughta keep the total # of bolts/routes quite low if the law is clear on the subject of power drilling, there should be clear legal penalites for it trails will ultimately be more destructive, but trails already exist in wildernesses (or at least will if enough people go walking through it, and to say a wilderness should never have people in it is absurd) and again, w/o a ton of routes, there aren't going to be a lot of climber trails dawg, its your "discussion" - is your view the same as bug's?

"The Wilderness Act of 1964 institutionalized an idea, describing a wilderness as "an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain." By definition, then, it was a place where vehicles would not be allowed, where no permanent camps or structures could be made, where wildlife and its habitat would be kept in as primitive a condition as possible."" Excerpted from Wilderness America, a 1990 publication of The Wilderness Society. so can i score that as a "no" or not? is this issue then the bolts or the power-drilled bolts?

dawg the discussion's over - the positions have been stated, the reasons provided and all sides further entrenched - at this point there's nothing left to do but fucking curse - has one person changed their mind or made progress one way or t'other? for yourself, i don't reall you answering a serious question but i'll restate it for shits'n'giggles: if the whole thing was chopped and reinstalled by hand, would you stfu up about it?

shall we anticipate your answer to "why do you wear a 2 piece to the top of a mtn?"

um...if the offender more or less anonymously sent the pin back, why on earth would he want to contact you now? what kind of condition did it come back in? you reset it back at the notch yet? side question: heard you were replacing bolts on young warriors (jim suuuure don't like that) - which ones and how'd they look upon extraction? never would have thought that any of them were crap, save the old homemade job on the smoke ledge and a couple of the smc thin hanger guys on the last pitch

pink floyd already fielded that one: If you're taking your girlfriend Out tonight You'd better park the car Well out of sight. Cause if they catch you in the back seat Trying to pick her locks, They're gonna send you back to mother In a cardboard box. You better run.

there's plenty of depth there hombre - the answers are absurd b/c the activity is absurd b/c life-as-a-meat-puppet is absurd if you're looking for a more deeply meaningful hobby consider macrame at any rate, the interwubs are the enemy of philosphy - here the golden rule is keep it under 100 characters or stfu!

probably b/c everybody assumes its b/c of white people

i didn't know corvallisclimber followed football?

b/c what else am i going to do w/ all this nitro?!?

b/c i'm searching for the drugs

b/c the screaming barfies make my junk feel sick

b/c i suck and must be punished

to be prepared for the coming zombie apocalypse?

b/c there's far fewer assholes at the top of mountains than at the base of them?

b/c i can't fornicate ALL of the time?

i like this part: "In Texas, where barely two-thirds of the population have full health insurance and over a fifth of all children have no cover at all, opposition to the legislation is currently running at 87%." hardly suprising - this is the country that started off by saying all men were equal when maybe a tenth of the population had sufferage, and a place that might as well call itself the united states of jeebus but overwhelmingly supports capital punishment for damn near any offense despite the whole "he who is w/o sin yadda yadda yadda" parable

the jesus debate done got played out way back in the wild n heady days of charles v

would you be banned sir and lose the endless opportunity to give joe shit for all the world to see? jim has new talking points for you fo'shizzle!

hello, my name is enigo montoya - you killed my father - prepare to die

i thought aid climbers just hated everybody equally?

there's still 1 more day

can i have all my cut out genius-banter re-installed now that we'r ein spray land?

dave done took some pix too lok at all the meat puppets! "down off the fog-banks, through the cloud-murk, god-cursed grendel came greedily loping" geoff at the hanging belay, me exiting on the horizon dood! nigga has a panaroma setting on his camera!

ah, fickle fate - was supposed to go escort add-a-bolt-ben up the final pitch of abraxas today but instead the furies decided i had best return to the scene of the beacon-crime for a last serving of south-side love till the fornicating falcons get their fuck-on so...what to do on so damp a day? ah, yes, the village route - so hawt last winter but on the outs this year - it needed the last pitch put in - luckily, i soused out that kyle n' geoff were intending on doing it w/o me, so when ben called in sick (mercifuly reprieve that was, given the family fuck-up i committed last night in gettin home too late and the extreme likilihood of being stupid late a second night in a row) i was eager to head out w/ the Brothers Grouchy and steal me FA back! woke late out of the drug-stupor to find a 6 year old blonde where my wife should be - this led to an intersting q'n'a that resulted in wandering downstairs for an hour of scooby-doo n' eggs n' coffee n' stategery that ended in me at the camas park n' ride for the Big Rendezvous slimy n' damp at the B, but at least not poring rain - hoofed it up the trail to the fine strains of public enemy, surveying the recent shrapnel carnage sloughed off by the n face down to the ledge of the little'uns, leaving the last rap line fixed for the Return Trip the second pitch seals the deal - the first is c1, as is the second, but the lower one freed is probably the crux at 5.11/5.11+, the 2nd, off the anchor is 5.10+ but then quickly goes to 5.8/9 if only its dry - the requisite gear is all cleaned out now ends up at scramble off trail below the duck-blind - a slugn block and sketchy cam in another block, backed up to a tied off shrub and another loose block means all is kosher right? one tiny rap on larry's scary shrub and back to the good one and the little-crew, recently fled down the dutchman not that anyone's ever gonna go back and do it, but if you're of the pdx crowd and want to enjoy the B on a rainy day in winter, this is the route for you - the little people cower under their tarps doing fuck-knows-what - you n' your boy get in 2 pitches (so overhung theyr'e pretty much entirely dry), then ride the rap right back down to where you started - you might want to avoid geoff's added trick of lowering down on the other end of the fixed line from the hanging belay, chopping the rope in the process when you jug back up everybody likes purty pictures... emerging from the brith canal and video porn! [video:youtube] [video:youtube]