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even i got belatedly drawn in on that drama (and seem to recall i'm promised a 1/5 of a poison of my choosing for it!)

What you guys want is "progress". Always. Gotta love the propaganda. How's that war on poverty going, BTW? Any progress yet? i notice you didn't answer the question i grew up hearing the word "*" everyday, and not in a cheeky, ironic way, a fucking dirty, dirty serious way - you think that's better than today? as to the war on poverty, well, umm, like, compared to a hundred years ago things are better by most standards you'd care to use - would you rather they not? i'm not sure that anyone was thinking economic inequality could be utterly gotten rid of, but minimizing the gap between rich and poor doesn't seem a half-bad goal. what's your ideal world look like?

"progress" LOLZ you think the social world of 1950 is better than today? holy shit, you shoulda grown up in south carolina w/ me, even in the '70s!

the irony of the party of lincoln disapproving of "social engineering" is palpable as well course, if there's anything fundamentalists have a problem w/, it's irony - they seem born to take words literally

i re-read this several times but can't quit grok it i don't stay up at night worryign about what the bsa does b/c i see no place in it for me or my son particularily - that said, i do still have opinions and what the hell else is spray for? i'm not one to set up shop as a moralist, shit, i'm pretty certain that, like most meat-popsicles, my morals are malleable to what the world demands my gut-feeling though, call it a moral if you wish, is that folks shouldn't be discriminated against over thigns they have no choice in (kids don't choose their sexuality, and i think one's religious views are generally the result of a process beyond control too) it's not like anyone's bitchign about the scouts not taking in pederasts and felons - they're out of touch w/ the modern world, and as pat says, they can adapt or not - i hope they do, but i'm not gonna cry if they don't, and will not hide my joy when they met their just demise as a result

shee-it, i even chaperoned a girl scout trip the other weekedn - oddly, i was the only man, and odder still, i was the only adult present NOT chain-smoking

but holy shit, don't know if it's the subject that summoned it, but why am i getting banner ads for: "Transvaginal Mesh Lawsuit!!!"

no, i think the organization, despite its historical and modern flaws, can adapt to fight the modern era and serve a very good purpose, and i hope that it does in fact become more open to quote "red dawn," the bsa is "an elite para-military organization," and given that our national armed forces have embraced aethiests and boy-lovers of all stripes, i'm pretty sure the wussed-out version can too

thus his deep fascination w/ early nazism, which was riddled w/ boy-buggers

hmm...pretty sure the aclu ain't part of the governmetn, just a buncha private citizens dedicated to making the government due what it's supposed to, by the rules.

baden powell thought "mein kampf" was a great book and recomended everone to read it, so i'm pretty well passed accepting him as a moral authority think he also got his chops in the boer war, another less than honorable endeavour...

or they can double-down and join forces with chick fil-a?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568392/boy-scouts-face-pressure-before-vote-on-no-gays-policy/ you'll note in the article the pressure on the scouts, both for and against their policy, is all from other private associations of citizens - the obama-llama is quoted as saying he thinks the ban sucks, but there's no gov organization going after them. here's a question: what would jefferson smith say?

i suspect chem-trails!

9?? That would be Cub Scouts jesus, whatever, it's all the same organization. i did the gambit from age 7ish to 17, and the religious part did in fact help push me away...

or the call to "bravery" is to stand up to social engineering thugs like yourself that try to force YOUR view of morality on an organization who views things differently. thug, that's a good one for describing me i'm not in the scouts any longer so have no dog in this fight until such time as my boy asks about it - i feel i can teach him pretty well meself the things i learned there that i still value - i am uncomfortable w/ government messing w/ private associations, but then my understanding is much of the current pressure on the bsa is coming from its own members and from the community in general, not the obama-llama i suppose you could easily label lincoln a "social-engineering thug," but then you'd be on the wrong side of history - allowing all humanoids equality, both of opportunity and before the law, seems like such a no-brainer in a democracy that i'm really at a loss to understand those who need it explained...

People have been saying that for at least 30 years w/r/t gays and atheists in Scouting, and Scouting still exists. My point is not that you can't change them, however, if you know the organization requires a faith in a higher being, you join anyways, than make a big deal about being an atheist and complain about how the Scouts will not allow this, then you should not be surprised to be kicked out. Moreover, if you just go with the flow, most likely you'll be able to participate because there are very few times you'll be grilled on your belief in God - at least that was my experience, YMMV strange i know, but most 9 year olds haven't quite sorted out their theologies yet

i'm illiterate in multiple languages, including nadsat

order of the arrow, now there's gay entrapment! dropped the lot of us off in the boonies in the freezing cold darkness w/ nothing but our clothes on and told us to make it through the night! remember folks, when homo-huddling, it ain't gay if you don't open your eyes

well put. and indeed, the scout call to "bravery" is exemplified by the scouts who've questioned the ban against aetheism and gays when clearly the vast majority of folks would rather hide behidn kk's advice.

drug, not druk sorry, i was channeling alex's pronuciation

and my point is that aetheists are in fact generally not considered to be real people by fundies, who also thought japs n' injuns were sub-human too...

that picture DOES harm people, like myself, who think religion is bullshit and hate the swiss-jesus as the obvious phony thing that it is put a chocolate-jesus portrait up instead, and then one of george carlin right next to him, and i cease to be offended.

you might mind neitzche's advice on dealing w/ monsters then, moy druk