Gary_Yngve

Looks like its supposed to switch from snow to rain just before the weekend and then go back to snowing. Grrrr.

I didn't know CCH made condoms.

RUMR, do you have anything against CCH? You sure seem keen on posting about it in as many threads as possible. It's not a cam failure yet in my mind. It's a possible cam failure. All the folks on those RC.com threads are jumping on the bandwagon and bashing CCH just because that's what kool kids do.

But wouldn't you bust both nuts? I don't understand.

Rules that you follow, rules that you've been a victim of, rules that you've heard of, whatever. 1) On a first date, the guy must offer to pay for the meal if he is to expect a second date. 2) A date for Friday night must be scheduled by Tuesday night at the latest. 3) (A rule from England) The date to have sleep together is the third date, not the second, not the fourth, but the third date. (the rationale being that any earlier is too desperate/easy, any later and you're not comfortable enough with each other for it to happen ever)

Yeah, stilton is a classic English cheese. White and a little crumbly. There's blue stilton, often sandwiched between layers of Glouchester. Then there are variants of stilton all on their own, usuall with something sweet or tangy inside -- blueberry, cranberry, apricot, ginger, mango, etc.

One thing I've noticed is I tend to be attracted moreso to women who want to live a Bohemian lifestyle or vehemently don't want to have kids. Maybe there's some correlation with that to something else I'm looking for, like a strong, independent woman. But it causes me anguish, because I'm somewhere in limbo in the middle regarding kids/no kids, etc., and there's these great women out there who clash with my wanting to make my parents happy.

Define geek. There's the traditional geek who escapes to a fantasy world of SW,ST,LotR,HP,Anime,etc., plays video games, owns and monitors the latest and greatest technological marvels, and diets excusively on ramen and pop. I am not this geek.

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Woohoo, my alma mater, Georgia Tech!

Maybe he wanted fame or fortune? As for not getting caught, the downside of academia is there is such pressure for getting new results, and little work is being done verifying existing results or building them into something suitable for industry. Many papers are accepted each year that have false statements or irreproducible results.

Dude, you are a fucking arrogant prick aren't you? You're absolutely right. My comment was inappropriate here, and I apologize. If you get to know me, I'm not an arrogant prick or a social retard -- I've just been stressed out / burned out for the past month and a half or so, and it's showing, especially in impersonal electronic communications.

If it weren't going to be pouring rain, I'd consider some toolin'. It sounds almost as miserable as my debugging right now.

My WFR at WWU was under $500. EMT at North Seattle CC is $600 + books/equipment. If a WFR costs more than $500, it probably includes lodging. Where do you know of for a cheaper EMT?

The two things I've come to realize are: 1) It's not a good idea to get badly sick/hurt in the wilderness. 2) Unless you're a professional rescuer constantly getting practice, you are going to make mistakes.

On another note, I've been recommended to take a WFR recert instead of a WFA, even though they both count as the same.

I have the utmost respect for firefighters and paramedics and the years of training they go through. Their jobs are very different from the AMR $10/hr dude who's not looking for any career advancement. What I was trying to say was that I was under the impression that as a whole, folks in a WFR course are going to be more enthusiastic and motivated than in an EMT course, and you have the connection of the outdoors to tie yall together. Everyone in my WFR course, ranging from age 18 to 68, was gung-ho about taking the course and wanted to do the best they could. I would have felt my education compromised had I had classmates who didn't take the course seriously.

Yeah, if you can get an evacuation within a few hours, then sure, splint it as is, and call it good. But if it's going to be a while, the patient's prognosis will benefit from an early reduction with minimal risk (and of course document CSMs before and after).

But cluck, if you had a WFR and were working for NOLS and had a standing order from their medical advisor that it's ok to reduce dislocated shoulders, patellas, or fingers when more than X hours from definitive medical care, then you would be in the green to perform it in the backcountry while working for NOLS.

I'd imagine all of these without specific authorization from a higher authority: reducing a dislocated shoulder conducting a focused spinal assessment and deciding that immobilization is no longer needed assisting a patient with epi or nitro cessation of CPR after 30 minutes of a warm body with no signs of life

In my WFR class, we pretty much neglected pediatric, geriatric, and obstetric care. Though we did use stethoscopes and BP cuffs and administer an intramuscular injection, we didn't use the other tools of a modern ambulance: O2, suction, EKG, etc. Our CPR also was just Adult CPR.

Good point, Iain.

I know several folks who've taken EMT or WFR, one who's taken both separately, and a few folks who've driven for AMR. Everyone recommended me for WFR and against EMT. The folks who've driven for AMR were embarrassed by the apathy and lack of ambition of their colleagues. The folks who care about their jobs and want to improve themselves are the ones who become firefighters, paramedics, etc. If you want the urban training as well and you can afford it, I would suggest the WEMT, which is basically EMT + WFR, and your classmates will all be outdoorsy.

I don't know about the OEC course, but it sounds similar to the WFR. I would strongly recommend against an EMT course. 1) Urban and wilderness medicine are so different. Urban: all the equipment you can ever need, goal is basically to stabilize and transport to ER in around 20 minutes. You don't really clean and dress wounds, splint bones, etc. because the ER folks do that. Wilderness: lack of equipment, could need to nurse the patient for days before evacuated to a hospital. You have to plan everything. 2) An EMT course is not likely to spend time on things such as altitude illness and more likely to spend time on things such as very old patients too sick to ever go outside. 3) A WFR course will consist of your peers. An EMT course will consist largely of underachieving folks who didn't go to college and are looking for a career of ambulance driving for $10 an hour. (Please contest this point here (I have sources who tell me this is true), and please save any flaming of my elitism for Spray.)

I took WFR at WWU last year, and it was excellent.