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Is this an elk phenomenon or is it the same with deer and other game?

E-rock - who you diss'n? I'm convinced babies smell good because their mommies put A&D ointment on them. That stuff smells great.

So you order Soy Latte's too, Bungle?

Re: rest day activities...The Skykomish is a very popular river for rafting and kayaking. There are also numerous hikes including to the base of Mt. Index and some decent biking in the hills behind Gold Bar. You won't find the camping crowded and the pizza bread from the Town Store rocks! The reptile zoo moved down the road so it isn't so convenient anymore...

Is this one of those tear off sheet desk calendars?

Star Jasmine on a spring evening the hiking trail up to 3 o'clock rock after it rains (I'd be rich if I could bottle it and sell it to the cleaning products companies) Erik's fresh baked chocolate chip cookies

But will they still fly in there to climb only in Canada when/if your currency gets stronger? Couple of the international guys I talked to last season really wanted to come down to WA to check out our rock (Index and WA pass) but couldn't do it on their CD$4/day budget.

Looks like he's started a controversy again... From today's NY Times: Now, with "Under the Banner of Heaven," Mr. Krakauer has begun his own culture war. If he thought the mini-industry spawned by his Everest book — competing books, death threats and continuing Web battles — was a nuisance, he may one day look back on that experience as a minor dust-up compared with what could follow his book questioning religion. Already, the Mormon Church has questioned his motives and veracity, while pointing to some secular publications — like the Economist magazine — that have criticized him for failing to explain why people are drawn to the church. The gist of the complaints is that, having climbed to the top of the world and written well about it, does an admitted agnostic really think he can take on a popular religion? Or even get it? Mr. Krakauer, whose friends both praise and fault him for his laserlike intensity, certainly takes his swings. A year ago, the nation was appalled at the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, the sunny-faced Utah girl of 14 whose abductor says he was following early Mormon scripture in taking her as one of his brides. But as Mr. Krakauer writes, Joseph Smith, the Mormon Church's founder, also took a 14-year-old girl as one of an estimated 40 wives, explaining to her that God had commanded her to become part of his harem. "My friends in Utah say Elizabeth Smart was more vulnerable to this kind of thing because the culture puts so much emphasis on obeying the word of God," Mr. Krakauer said. In the book, Mr. Krakauer examines Mormon fundamentalists, the tens of thousands of true believers living mostly in Utah who broke away from the original Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The splinter groups are the American Taliban, Mr. Krakauer says, living in desert theocracies where pubescent girls are forced into marriages with old graybeards who rule with an iron fist. These polygamous communities are against the law, but usually tolerated by officials who see a little bit of great-grandpa's pioneering ways in the modern sects. The biggest of these communities, Hildale/Colorado City, on the Utah-Arizona border, is full of houses the size of a Days Inn motel, stuffed with dozens of wives married to self-styled Mormon fundamentalist patriarchs. The community is in open violation of the law, Mr. Krakauer and others have noted, but faces little legal sanction and also manages to have one of the highest ratios of welfare recipients in the country. His main focus is on Dan and Ron Lafferty, a pair of Utah brothers who believed they were ordered by God to kill their sister-in-law and her 15-month-old daughter. Brenda Lafferty had her throat slit with a 10-inch boning knife, and her daughter, Erica, was also stabbed. Dan Lafferty is serving a life sentence and his older brother, Ron, is on death row. The brothers said they did it because Brenda opposed their plan to take multiple wives. Mr. Krakauer draws a connection between the revelations the Lafferty brothers claimed guided them and early Mormon acts of "blood atonement," in which followers targeted victims because of purported divine inspiration. Ron Lafferty, Mr. Krakauer notes, was a Republican city councilman and devout Mormon, who came to believe that his religion had lost touch with its roots, which allowed men to practice polygamy and to receive divine revelation. Mr. Krakauer faults the modern Mormon Church, perhaps the fastest growing religion in America, with worldwide membership approaching 12 million, for failing to honestly address a past where taking young wives, killing on behalf of God and open disdain for the Constitution are papered over in place of a more Osmond-friendly image. Often overlooked by mainstream historians, the story of how a church founded by radicals who practiced an early form of communism and sanctioned sexual promiscuity through multiple wives has come to be known for white-bread conservatism is a compelling American tale. The church officially renounced polygamy in 1890, and excommunicates members who openly practice it. But officials in Utah say up to 60,000 people continue to live in polygamous families there. The church issued a five-page, single-spaced rebuttal of the book two weeks before publication. They found some relatively minor factual errors in the book, which Mr. Krakauer has promised to correct, and they took issue with one of his central points. The book "is a full frontal assault on the veracity of the modern church," Mike Otterson, a church spokesman in Salt Lake City, said in a statement. "His basic thesis appears to be that people who are religious are irrational, and that irrational people do strange things." In tying the crimes of the Lafferty brothers to the roots of the church, Mr. Krakauer has smeared an entire religion, Mr. Otterson said in the statement. "Krakauer unwittingly puts himself in the same camp as those who believe every German is a Nazi, every Japanese a fanatic, and every Arab a terrorist." Doubleday, which is bringing out a 350,000-copy first printing of the book, seems delighted with the controversy. Its publicists promptly faxed the Mormon Church rebuttal to reviewers, and passed on phone numbers of church spokesmen. Church officials say they agonized over responding in such a splashy way to the book, but decided that they had to make their stand, even at the risk of running the book up the best-seller charts.

Guiness blows. You can only get a good pint of that stuff at the source. I thought it was a good place for pub club. It was a bit crowded just before 9 when I took off to hear some good music, but the guy was way friendlier than most of the other bars we've taken over recently. Compared to the chick's attitude at the Owl and Thistle last week he gets

this coming from the person with a scary clown (KISS ... or whoever it is!) as their avatar. Ahh! But under the makeup and costume he's just a softie. Like most of the guys on this site who are big sprayers and shit talkers, but can be nice in person.

Sorry for the dumb question, but since I'd never be caught dead with a bouldering pad, can you explain how a "real" bouldering pad differs from just some foam? Is it just the handles? Dumbass. You don't deserve an answer. Thanks DFA. I've come to expect this from dear ol' Josh. I think you know what I was asking. WTF? seriously, I was asking a question you too. I've never seen a bouldering pad closeup. I have no clue what they are made of and I don't boulder so I was curious what the difference was. ehmmic, what the hell have I done to you lately to get you to "expect this" from me? Bouldering pads have lots of features. most are covered by some form of nylon or cordura, some have handles, some straps, some have little pieces of fabric where you can wipe the dirt off your shoes. I was wondering if it was really a bouldering pad or some other type of pad that costco is stocking that can be used as a bouldering pad. Since most quality pads cost $100 to start, the price lead me to ask the question. What have you done lately? Nothing in particular. Based on past exchanges I just expect you to have an attitude and flip me shit when possible. Appologies if I read "punk" into your tone. I thought you were insinuating that my question was dumb and didn't appreciate it.

gonna be an offwidth day for me, i guess. More like a squeeze chimney. I'd have to make sure and keep my lungs full of air for those moves.

Sorry for the dumb question, but since I'd never be caught dead with a bouldering pad, can you explain how a "real" bouldering pad differs from just some foam? Is it just the handles? Dumbass. You don't deserve an answer. Thanks DFA. I've come to expect this from dear ol' Josh. I think you know what I was asking.

Stuck home finishing up a take home exam...

I heard people checked out playboy for the pics and penthouse for the writing. But I guess both could be considered plab.

If you're a little person with small hands yep. Fern and I have similar hand sizes... Sometimes #3 camalot placements are too wide for my fists. For me a great handcrack is a tight #2 camalot placement.

Is this a "real" bouldering pad or just some foam?

This place sounds like a cc.com kind of joint. User Provided Information Crowded - no Trendy - no Romantic - no Good for after work - yes Good dancing - no Good social scene - yes Good happy hour - mixed Recommended - yes

Hhmm. Guessing is stands for playboy then. I'll have to think on what makes this word is an adjective.

So back to the subject then... For those of us who missed the introduction of plab to the cc.com vocabulary. What does that word mean/stand for? Do I even want to know...

Any food at this joint or do we need to eat before heading out?

Actually Fence I think you got that backwards. Guys overinflate and girls underreport... Been awile since I saw that flick though. no. he's got it right. guys multiply their number by 3 and women divide theirs by 3. does it need professor catbirdseat to explain further? capiche? So then to get the real number you divide the guys' by 3 and multiply the girls' by 3... I think we're both right depending on how you're looking at it.

I have a 60 cm BD axe that is brand new. Bought it for $80 will let it go for $50. pm me if interested.

Actually Fence I think you got that backwards. Guys overinflate and girls underreport... Been awile since I saw that flick though.

Where are you located skisports? You can check out the design in my truck if interested. It's got locable storage and a bed that sleeps two (comfortably if both are under 6'), with lots of storage underneath and a countertop. Depending on your engine size you could modify the design so that the storage under the bed is in more of a box with lockable doors. My truck is only a 4 cyl, so the design had to be lightweight. Mostly 1x1 or 2x1 with metal bracing for strength for the framing and 1/2" or 3/4" plywood for the flat surfaces. It's the 4th generation design of some friends of mine. One of the keys to being comfortable is to have the tallest canopy you can afford. We built it out in 2 days and about $250 in materials (you can get cheaper foam which was the largest part of my buildout cost).