Hey Dwayner, sounds like you've had experiences with some very low class friends. My pals don't get drunk, and we generally have a great time, great food, and the coffee starts flowing about an hour before anyone goes home. Actually over the years my best buddies live within walking distance, so no dwi's issued. You sound bitter. Perhaps less broad generalizations of the world at large? BTW, what's it like to be as cool and hip as you? Buck up pal, it'll be a new day tomorrow. Cheers, trask