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Scot'thesaurusex, wrong use of word. Whence not appropriate here. Heed this jussive: leave the unnecessary flowery language to catbird and me. Klawatti: looks sweet in winter! I'm going to knock that and Austera and Primus off this summer.

If you come from the Cave Ridge saddle (the saddle between Snoqualmie & Guye) and want to go to the highest point of Guye, then there is a traversing issue. From the saddle, you climb up through semi-forest to its top at about where the crags start. It will then be necessary to use a system of two or more gullies on the east side of the crest in order to get around the crags, of which I think there were two between you and the summit (which is merely a mound of snow with some small scrub trees, or it could be more rocky in March than when we did it in January). From the top of the semi-forested slope, find a gully that goes down about 50 feet so that you can then traverse south around the first crag. After the traverse, go up a gully back to the crest. At the next crag (if there is another crag, I honestly can't remember), repeat the process. I would advise crampons (and obviously an ice-axe) for the gullies because, with the recent cold, clear nights, they'll no doubt NOT hold soft, plunging snow. Depending on your experience/comfort level, you may also wish to bring a 30m rope and picket and possibly some pro. The gullies are sufficiently steep that, in icy conditions, you could go a long way...maybe all the way down to Commonwealth Creek. In the picture below taken from the east, Cave Ridge Saddle is on the right. You can see the semi-forested slope leading up to the first crag. The summit is the left-most point.

I would just like to point out that the trip report for a Pub Club held there would be called The Canturbury Tales.

Minx, Wilbur has informed me that your avatar image is offensive to all horses who view this site. Please remove it. It's for the horses. Plus, we could always use more horsecock on this site.

On the surface, this seems like a useful approach to turning the tables on the junk mail onslaught. But the number of people doing this is still small enough that the mail costs for such false responses aren't cutting into the profit margin appreciably. Plus, I bet those that open the false responses get a good chuckle out of what's in there. Then, without further ado, a flick of the wrist sends it into the recycle basket next to their station. Also, return envelopes that aren't of a certain weight (i.e., overweight with nonsense material) are probably immediately chucked without even being opened. What we need to do is get EVERYONE doing it. This will only temporarily solve the problem though. They will simply wait until the novelty gets old for us then resume their full-on mailing campaign. When I receive credit card applications in the mail, I don't even open them. A quick rip and it's in two pieces and in my recycle recepticle.

Yeah, this needs to be in Spray. Come on, E, you know better than that.

To go with First Ascent: First Winter Ascent: Ice Cold Virgin ("Frigid")?

No, I believe she's 62. Every reference to this I've heard has said so. This bio confirms this (she's three weeks younger than my dad). What I have found interesting (but am not at all surprised with) is the way people have posted to this thread with lots of erroneous information regarding the facts of the case and the judicial system in general. People have posted saying she was being made an example of, as if to say they have no faith in our judicial system. Or people have said she doesn't deserve it? Deserve what? Deserve to be convicted or deserve to do time? The latter has not even happened yet. You first get convicted, then get sentenced. The penal time is determined by the egregiousness of the crime. The conviction (any conviction, ideally) has nothing to do with merit or desire, it has only to do with fact and how those facts weigh against the law. Everyone here should be held to the same standard regardless of wealth, etc.. The merit and desire part come into play in the sentencing: "let the punishment fit the crime." A conviction is not a punishment into and unto itself. The sentence is the punishment. This is where one's prior convictions, etc., come into play. I wonder if the same people who think she has been singled out or got an unjust punishment would have been the same people to speak out if she got off, as if it is in their mentality to take the non-government stance, whatever that stance came to be as the outcome of this trial. To me, it's simple: if the jury says she's guilty, she's guilty. They found that she did the crime so must do time. The jury did not and does not decide how much time. That's for the judge to determine. Our judicial system is not perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than a lot of the alternatives in this world. You want your hands chopped off for stealing something trivial, move to Saudi Arabia. And tell me how Enron or the Bush Administration has anything to do with this trial? Those are separate issues with their own independent attendant problems. You can draw your obscure references but you're not fooling me and only making yourself less credible.

I have tied the ends of the rope together on a couple of rappels but these were only for descents where the rock was smooth. By tying the two ends together you are essentially creating a loop. If you have to pull the rope back up for some reason and the loop snags on something, then you've got a problem to deal with. Just tie a knot in each end. It does the same job as tying both ends together: to save you from falling off the end.

I was under the impression that the Suiattle River Road was washed out in several places. This may have been the case but it appears they've repaired all of them except the one at Downey Creek (at least, that's what the update is for March 2 on the forest service road conditions page). This is good news, as the start/end for the Ptarmigan Traverse is at the Downey Creek Trailhead. I don't know how difficult it will be to cross Downey Creek where it is washed out, but, we're climbers. We ALWAYS find a way. The Downey Creek washout only maybe adds a couple hundred yards to the approach.

Cracked, this is not the post like catbirdseat thread.

Martha's worst nightmare?...

Bryan has made a good start, but a couple things to note: a. I sent him an email a while back (October or something) enlightening him of some others he didn't know about. These have not been put on the list. b. He has no picture for a lot of his falls (which is alright considering he has a lot of falls to visit). I sent him some of my pictures of these because he wanted to see what these particular falls looked like. I told him he could use my photos on his site in the interim until he gets in there to take his own shots (Depot Creek Falls was an example). Instead of hosting my picture(s), he said he only hosts his own. That is fine. But it does his site little service to NOT have pictures when pictures are available to him to use. If I go to a site devoted to waterfalls, I'd like to see a picture of the falls. Since waterfalls are a 'picturesque' object, it's all about what they look like. Just a couple of peeves about the guy. Seemed alright otherwise.

Uh, cuz she broke the law.

Wuther is a word, means "to blow with a dull roaring sound." There was a Genesis album from the 70's called "Wind and Wuthering" that made reference to Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights book.

Dude, I think I just today saw your bulletin post about this by World Wraps in Seattle's REI. The name and the town are the same, at least. Coincidence. If that post was yours, you'll be glad to know at least two of the name/number tabs were torn off the bottom.

Chirp, I emailed you a map and description of the SW Ridge Route.

Click here to swat mosquitos from the safety of your computer. What could be more fulfilling? (Note: they get closer and closer to you if you don't kill 'em.)

A better name for it would be the "Women's Gossip Forum." If they get that, I want a "Male Bonding Forum." (crude toilet humor would be the norm)

A 400lb block of ice would be about the size of a 20-inch TV set. Specifically: 400lb x (1.09 mL/g ice) x (1L/1000mL) x (0.0353 cu. ft/L) x (453 g/lb) = 6.97 cu ft or a cube of ice 1.9 ft x 1.9 ft x 1.9 ft.

Yeah, what if the bolts are as big around as a stove pipe? Think about that next time you see a plane flying above your head.

Um, well, max didn't take the picture...because I'm not max. Where he is hosting it from. To me, that fracture line two-thirds of the way up the slope looke like a small slab break (a sluffalanche, a slabalanche). The slope there is pretty steep (60-70 degrees), meaning any snow accumulation above a crust will slough off. I'm sure lots of windloading goes on there. And in the course of a day or two or three on windy days, enough can accumulate there to slough off (i.e., gets too heavy to maintain adhesion so slides away).

7,061 ft + 5 ft = 7066 ft (at least so my old red Beckey says). Here is another picture of it. But To_The_Top is right. It really is 7,061 ft. There are lots and lots of elevation errors in Beckey's guides.

Pictures from that day: Pictures of the climb: That damn approach road That damn false summit That damn summit That damn final push That damn summit poseurfest Views during the climb: Thornton Peak Oakes Peak I Oakes Peak II Bacon Peak Salvation Peak Mt. Blum Triumph and Thornton (wide) Triumph and Thornton (closer) Head of Triumph Creek And now for the grand finale: Mt. Triumph