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More props to Jim's shop: I bought some Acopa shoes from him (after he urged me to get down from climbing on the shop's bench to try 'em out) and a few months later, the rand started to peel away. PMS offered to reglue the rand for free. I got them back from the shop today, good as new.

I wanna lightweight canister stove, antibot plates, an altimeter, a new desk chair that's not some piece of IKEA crap, a #3 Camalot and some books.

Yup, that was me. Got soaked, duh. I'll hopefully be trying out the same combo this weekend in the driving snow on Mt. Daniel or something. But I'll bring along my light hardshell just in case

A nasty offwidth called 'Axis of Evil'. Once you're in the Axis of Evil, it'll take lots of whimpering and pleading to get out.

Climbed four pitches of good slabby stuff at Stone Mountain in North Carolina with my lil' brother. The climbing was fun, but the people climbing next to us were more entertaining. There was the West Virginian who looked like he had literally just climbed out of a cave (muddy helmet with taped-on flashlight, etc.), the guy who let go of his brake hand as he tried to untangle the leader's trail line, and the couple from Ohio who yelled at each other the whole time. Fun times.

I'd rather die in a free, open society than suffer under the autocracy of an omnipotent Big Brother regime. The Total Information Awareness program reminds me of the actions of the Stasi in East Germany as late as the 1980s. Everyone in the DDR had a dossier, and once the files were released after German reunification, thousands of people found out that their neighbors, family members, husbands, wives, and friends had ratted them out to the government's spies. Some people refused to look at their files for fear of discovering such betrayals.

quote: Originally posted by scot'teryx: quote:Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: the big buttress before orange wall on the prow. I bet it would reveal 2 pitch climb of good quality on the arete. Do you mean "The Cirque"? I know there is one line that is bolted already that runs at 11d or something That's 5.11d in the SDS (Scot'teryx Decimal System).

Ha, du hast's verloren, DFA! Ach! iain, der Nichtsbessereszutunhaber, ist noch schneller als ich. [ 11-25-2002, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: slothrop ]

A guy I know left this afternoon to attempt Gib Ledges over the weekend... perhaps he'll post a report here.

Did I miss something? Assuming this thread is a response to "Where's the outrage?", how do any of the events above (which occurred in other countries, not in our Homeland) justify the utter disregard by our government for the following: quote: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Man, give it up. Nothing is in.

Dude, just forget it. The Cascades are out of shape.

quote: Originally posted by danielpatricksmith: Biggest dissapointment was not getting to meet Scot'teryx. Just go to Cascade Crags and if you're lucky, he might even be there to give you a belay test

: - getting up Giant at Exit 38 w/no falls (on TR - climbing with my brother and my girlfriend - road trip to Squamish just after getting laid off - Ingalls Peak North, E and S ridges - scrambling up some random peak near Ingalls -- a fun bit of exploration on rotten rock and ice - doing several fun alpine rock routes... I didn't think I'd do as much as I did (but it still wasn't enough!) : - having to spend time finding a job - not making it far enough up the Middle Fork valley a few weeks ago to do some real exploring - regular climbing pardner moved to east coast

Huh?

Who would buy a souvenir from another person's 'expedition'? Nice shameless profiteering, Old Man.

I just borrowed a copy of Selected Climbs in NC for my upcoming trip to Winston-Salem for Thanksgiving. It looks like there's a big granite dome called Stone Mountain north of Winston with some good slabby climbs. Moore's Wall is in that area, too, and apparently is all trad, with some pretty stiff climbs. Linville Gorge has a lot of routes, and there's some hard multipitch stuff to be done at Whiteside Mountain near Cashiers. Looking Glass is a big place, with lots of hard multipitch and aid routes. Overall, it seems like trad is where it's at in North Carolina, so you should be set. Fayettenam is a little far removed from the climbing locales, but it's all within a few hours' drive. That Selected Climbs book is new, and I'm pretty sure there are some others.

I say wilderness. If we want a playground, we certainly have the means to build one. After all, the excitement of snowmobiling must have to do with the features of terrain, and that sort of thing is easily artificially created. Artificial transport should use artificial terrain. Nice sig, gregm!

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: If you can't see that I cannot prove something occurs, when it doesn't occur, you have serious and irresolvable issues with what consitutes proof and how it is arrived at. If you can't prove it, it doesn't mean he doesn't do it. You can't know whether It occurs or not unless you have information. Perhaps you have no information (Greg lies to you and you don't check up on him, or you look and look but never see him the mountains). You could prove that he never goes out if you could prove that he is always not out, but then again, you'd still have to have information (and a lot of it, i.e., spending every moment of your life making sure he doesn't go hiking). I guess I'm just not sure how you know "really, actually" about anything without seeing it yourself. And even then... Didn't we already have this discussion? [ 11-15-2002, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: slothrop ]

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: If you really, actually, never go to the mountains again, it will certainly be impossible for me to catch you doing so, won't it? Thus completing your proof. You'll never be a scientist, bucko.

Oh joy, page top Someone (too lazy to reference) complained about the unlimited growth of government spending, spending which requires taxation to fund. The government speaks and acts, in theory, with the will of the people, and thus acts like a person. Corporations and individuals, ideally, are also treated like people with regard to certain rights, including the right to spend their money as they so choose. Why should not the government have the same right, since it speaks on behalf of people, with their consent? Why is the government different from any corporation (heh...) or individual in respect to what rights it has to its money? The reason probably has to do with the fact that the government is powerful, can control many resources if it chooses to exercise its power, and need not, since it is composed of people, who are by nature greedy and selfish, act in the best interest of anyone it represents. People recognize that giving huge amounts of power to anyone is dangerous, and so we try to coerce those people (say, by asking nicely and writing a Constitution) into sharing and using their power responsibly. Why should we not ask the same things of corporations and individuals? Confidential to MtnGoat: Please run the following script before replying: % wget -r http://cascadeclimbers.com/ | sed s/sharing/coercion/ | sed s/using power responsibly/unthinkably selfish use of power based on invalid ideas external to my system/ [ 11-15-2002, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: slothrop ]

Who should own something like Mount Rainier? Is it reasonable to say that whoever lived there first and drew a little line around it on a map should own it? Or perhaps it is the original human settlers of the area who own it (since they had a name for the place many hundreds of years ago), and we should defer to them (or really, their descendants). Since the US government stole the land from those "indigenous" people, should the National Park even exist? I'm curious about this question of ownership, since in theory the owner of a piece of property should get to determine how the land is used, whether snowmobiles can run on the property, etc. The reason for the existence of National Parks seems to be a combination of public ownership and a collective desire to protect an area of beautiful land as if there were *no* ownership. Ownership means selfish use, and no need to consider the desires of others. It seems like a Good Thing (in a vague, unverifiable way... sorry, MtnGoat) to preserve places of beauty for public (confidential to MtnGoat: read 'selfish and coercive') use.

Yeah, hire me, Timmay.

I've got a 1985 Volvo 240 station wagon and it's still in good shape after 170K. Yeah, rear-wheel drive sucks, but I only had to back down from climbing a snowy hill to go skiing once, and that was with some shitty old tires with no weight in the back. It makes an excellent 4-season tent, with enough room for two fairly tall people in the back. It's too long and low to make it up, say, the Middle Fork Road, though.

What's "Level 1 in Hardware"?