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What good would shutting down the site for a week do?

Yeah, if someone's sending you death threats (email or otherwise), that's a reason to call the cops. What are the idiots in question pissed off about in the first place? PS - Thanks for cc.com. You guys do a great job.

Notice that this is the Newbies forum.

You put your slings in the laundry?

Bivy sites at the col before the glacier crossing (not the ridge) are not big enough for a Megamid. The route was easily accessible in the middle of last August, for what it's worth.

I agree. Well-protected routes nearby that offer similar climbing are on 3 O'Clock Rock. Silent Running, for example. GGB is a bit more wild and there's no reason not to keep it that way.

Nice job, fellas.

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Yeah, man, tell him to fuck off and find someone else. Maybe the "problem" Greg alludes to is the ease with which you give in to your advisor's bullying. If he wants you to be more productive, point out to him that extra projects assigned over a weekend will not help that cause. There's got to be a better professor out there.

So bring your little bottle of Dr. Bronner's along with a little bottle of iodine and you're safe from all the feces that flies around the wilderness with such abandon. You should probably carry one of these, too (0.3 lbs.):

How much does that thing weigh?

That first photo is incredible!

Why? What's Dean's position on the issue?

Nice job, guys, especially considering how ugly that face looks in your photo.

Does Vertical World still have this? Cascade Crags does... sort of. They ask you to anchor yourself with your belay biner to the floor.

I suggest a linkup of Orbit (grade III in Nelson), Challenger (glacier travel), AI (directed by Stephen Spielberg and real challenge to watch all the way through), and, of course, The Tooth (easy rock).

Let me guess: you drive a vehicle that gets you where you want to go and fits within your budget. Yes? Damn, I'm fucking clairvoyant.

But you're obviously better than all of 'em, right Fairweather?

Way to go, man. Nice photos.

Parking lot to moraine camp in two hours? You guys are fast! Bummer about the shoes, though...

No way. I'm not in the Mountaineers, either, to give a less extreme example. Long's book, FoTH, Royal Robbins' books, etc. all have something to say about ethics. Even a recent catalog (Patagonia or BD or something) dug up the original clean climbing manifesto and printed it. I don't see that much difference between those things and the printed consensus of a bunch of organized, experienced climbers. I can ignore all of them as I wish, but it's good to get the influence out there.

Yeah, Dwayner! Bring it on! It's not like Messner's going to log in to cc.com and debate with us... heh heh heh.

While the limits may be obvious to you (no hammers on clean routes, etc.), I think newbies could use something like the Tyrol Declaration to refer to as they learn their own style. I don't really see the document as setting anything in stone and it's certainly not a rule book.

I didn't really pick up on the arrogant tone. Sure, there are a few over-the-top or condescending bits, which Dwayner pointed out, but I find far more arrogance in the reactions of those who say, "fuck the UIAA and everyone else, I climb however the hell I want." Sure, it's your prerogative to climb with anarchy, but you're still being a dickhead if you bolt senselessly, leave your partner to die while you run for the summit, use a partner only to split travel expenses and then ditch/ignore him in Patagonia, chop a project without any discussion, ignore local ethics, heli-ski Everest, shit on the GNS, build fires in the middle of a bone-dry forest in August, or do any of the other stupid things that the Tyrol Declaration admonishes against. Good comments, Lowell.