Cpt.Caveman

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: Excerpt from threads posted 5/8/01 W: So what's with the vitriol? Cavey: It's the nature of the spray man. Your’e right Cavey; however, most often as you stated in the excerpt pasted above it is not. It almost always is immature and generates bad feelings for this site. Too much of the spray is simply insulting rantings. Nice but you dont know me personally right? You tried reading my mind before but were incorrect...... Quit being the moderator unless you know something about this particular subject. Then you might want to say who you are so we can get all the facts out in the open. Personally I think maybe we should take care of this in email.....

Incorrect. Read my post above and it is obvious that you have openly but non-chalantly insulted my friends and I. You made some comments about us not contributing squat. That is slander! How do you know what I have contributed where? Where was Dave Bale slandered and by whom?

No they are not Peter. Spray can be joyous. Slander is degrading. Still waiting for the facts tick tock tick tock There are still some hidden details but I just wanted to defend what I know is true before my comrades are degraded here. [This message has been edited by Cpt.Caveman (edited 10-02-2001).]

I dont even know where it is. Posting a link with a map when we propose these things would be a good idea.

No doubt Lammy.

quote: Originally posted by slaphappy: Again Cavey, ease up, I'm not refering to your comments. Go back and reread some of the crap on alpenlite.com. Obviously there are some grudges and hard feelings about something.. I don't understand anything about slandering. I know I sprayed and I always do. It is my prerogative to do so. Still I dont see where all the animosity is brewed up from? It all sounds childish if you ask me. Fuck its rock we all like it and we have something in common! Get a grip people. Until more is out in the open I don't think telling my friends and I that we have offered nothing to the mountains and crags is very friendly as you have. I take that as a personal insult!

There is nothing there anymore but I have read it before. There was no slander. YOu should start quoting facts instead of talking like this. Also if you are going to start claiming such things in a public forum and spreading rumors as I see it then you might want to come forward and identify yourself.....

quote: Originally posted by slaphappy: The comments about "Wallstein" were not in reference to your spray, but your buds comments about "somebody adding bolts to my friends (wallsteins) project". Wallstein's project?!! HA the guy worked it once! I don't think he considered it a project geez... Not the truth.

The guy who told you guys about the crag feels cheated. He told you all as friends/fellow climbers and was then slandered on the computerJust curious when this happened too? Right it did not ever happen!!....... I only had good things to say about him. Whoever said anything different is a liar!

quote: Originally posted by slaphappy: Sorry Cavey! Wrong guy! I don't live in Heavenworth, but I do have plenty of time. I have no intrest in "fighting fire with fire" I was explaining why some people might feel a bit put out. The only reason you aren't part of our "in" crowd is I have never met you. I don't see my statements as "harsh", just to the point. [This message has been edited by slaphappy (edited 10-02-2001).] I think some of your points are not correct. I dont know where you get your info? Whatever.. I know that I was not there and now some of what you stated was not correct at all! Especially about Wallstein. Fuck the only thing I mentioned is that he worked that hard route and thought it was a certain difficulty... Peace and chill a little.

Killer that is nice to know Kyle cuz I always thought about the other way...

quote: Originally posted by slaphappy: The only mention of "Wallstein" was in reference to a climb he was trying to TR, that has since had two bolts added to it and been redpointed. They brought it up and I answered their questions. (If he thinks he was the first to work on that route, he is mistaken. How did he think it got so clean? I'm confident he didn't clean it!) The guy who told you guys about the crag feels cheated. He told you all as friends/fellow climbers and was then slandered on the computer. You don't hear us chestbeating about "ground up ascents to chain anchors". (first ascents to chain anchors? are you guys serious?) Do you think we slammed in anchors and didn't bother to enjoy the perfect cracks below them? Many of the cracks were done ground up then retro cleaned so others (like you) could enjoy them, did you guys bother doing that with your few efforts? You sure seemed to enjoy the ones we worked on. Go back and read all the comments "your bros" have made about the folks responsible for the efforts at The Pearly Gates. (Make sure you check out alpenlite.com also.) How do you think the footpath you followed got there? Perhaps by many trips up and down that slope by a group of adventurous and dedicated climbers. That crag has never been a secret. You can see it from the road and, as you said, it's a 20 minute approach. We just took the initiative to actually check it out. Before you start a thread and further slander superb climbers that have done more than you can even dream about, sit back and reconsider your position. These folks you call "jokes" have done more for the development of climbing (both at the crags and in the mountains)in this state than you and all "your bros" combined can ever think of achieving. You quite likely have learned to climb on some of the routes they pioneered! I have no idea where your attitude comes from but lose it! Oh yeah! As everyone has stated already The Pearly Gates rock! Go check it out and enjoy it as we have. Whoah bro, I think I know who you are now, didn't we meet a couple of times?... Wallstein did not care about anybody's project nor did he think he was the first to work it. He was so happy to be out there craggin on that nice stuff, and that was it. He simply liked the rock! Who would not! It sounds like you are quick to jump to the gun there slaphappy. Sure we sprayed about climbing some stuff up there. I was happy! You so bad! I think I and others even gave praise to the others that put in the anchors didn't I. Yes Just cuz you live nearby and have time to go up there and tick all the routes first dont mean nothing to me. I or anyone can walk up to a crack and climb it ground up with or without stinking anchors. Big Friggin deal! Nobody was cheated out of nothing. Your pride was hurt cuz some stupid crap about nailing all the routes first and stuff --- admit it. Oh well we are not part of your "in" crowd so we are not viewed as friendly people out here in "your" icicle? You are making harsh statements here bro so I think I will fight fire with fire. You got what you asked for here....... -Ray Borbon PS Why dont you tell everyone else who you are?

Yep. I have never descended the peak from the other side. I like Walter's idea of ski pole and crampons. That would be a good option......

Peter you are speculating quite a bit. Erik is mostly a mellow dude and pretty cool. I don't think he is hostile by any means. I think maybe he has some more details to reveal before everyone starts to get all excited about nothing....

Terry this is a hard crux and not to be taken lightly since it is sandstone. A helmet might not be a bad idea if you are climbing at your limit often.

Rafael and I passed over after the problems. He had a passport and License. I had a photo ID. Don't imagine much has changed. Go early morning or late night to avoid the crowds. Your car will most likely be searched.

5.8 mostly to 5.11. Lots of 5.9 and cracks to 3 inches is the largest that I did. 2 pitches in length is the longest I recall. Chain anchors on the ledges There are some bolted climbs that are good as well. One I saw was way out right. Viktor has all the info and passed it along to me recently. I think he would be able to answer your questions better. Viktor I dont know what Erik is referring to so dont get the impression I am slandering you Peace [This message has been edited by Cpt.Caveman (edited 10-02-2001).]

I dont know what happened there but I hope everyone gets to visit this great crag. It is killer rock with lots of great routes. Good anchors and a not so long walk. Whoever was harrassing someone I hope you wake up. You cannot act like you own a crag that is on public land. As a matter of fact if one was to get technical it might lie on National Forest Land. I know it is right on the border for sure. Then you would have rangers up the yin yang harrassing you about power drilling. But that aint what I want to happen nor do I think anyone else does. Last time I recall someone babbled their mouth to me about it twice so I decided to check it out. I mean if you are going to tell the world then be prepared for visitors. Peace and share the crags.

It is terrible to see all this harsh stuff. Erik if you did not know the law enforcement types wear badges and sign the tickets with their names.

Charlie is now a fan of non plastic gear loops I hear

TimL I did some of the Traverse earlier this year. I have some details if you want them.

Annoying chocolate, be warned that Charlie aint no grannie nor little punk. I personally would not talk any shit since I know he is a big dude.... He might get angry and rip your head off. Just a thought.

I eat a lot of greasy burgers and fries. Plus eggs bacon and potatoes for breakfast as well as pepperoni pizza and slug down a lot of alcohol as normal meals. Just curious what other people out there are grubbin on. Don't need to be serious if you don't want to.

Charlie I like it when people get crazy on this site! Get rowdy mofo!

quote: Originally posted by terrible ted: Oh yeah CC: I talked to Fred, and he said you were off route... -t Damn! I knew he would say that! Tell the old bugger quit sandbagging all his ratings and to quit hitting on my 13 year old sister every time he come's around