Cpt.Caveman

I dont know what happened there but I hope everyone gets to visit this great crag. It is killer rock with lots of great routes. Good anchors and a not so long walk. Whoever was harrassing someone I hope you wake up. You cannot act like you own a crag that is on public land. As a matter of fact if one was to get technical it might lie on National Forest Land. I know it is right on the border for sure. Then you would have rangers up the yin yang harrassing you about power drilling. But that aint what I want to happen nor do I think anyone else does. Last time I recall someone babbled their mouth to me about it twice so I decided to check it out. I mean if you are going to tell the world then be prepared for visitors. Peace and share the crags.

It is terrible to see all this harsh stuff. Erik if you did not know the law enforcement types wear badges and sign the tickets with their names.

Charlie is now a fan of non plastic gear loops I hear

TimL I did some of the Traverse earlier this year. I have some details if you want them.

Annoying chocolate, be warned that Charlie aint no grannie nor little punk. I personally would not talk any shit since I know he is a big dude.... He might get angry and rip your head off. Just a thought.

I eat a lot of greasy burgers and fries. Plus eggs bacon and potatoes for breakfast as well as pepperoni pizza and slug down a lot of alcohol as normal meals. Just curious what other people out there are grubbin on. Don't need to be serious if you don't want to.

Charlie I like it when people get crazy on this site! Get rowdy mofo!

quote: Originally posted by terrible ted: Oh yeah CC: I talked to Fred, and he said you were off route... -t Damn! I knew he would say that! Tell the old bugger quit sandbagging all his ratings and to quit hitting on my 13 year old sister every time he come's around

Charlie we hear your message and I think it is clear what you are getting at. I pretty much agree with some of the climbs already noted. Especially Smoot calling Damnation 5.8 whew that is not right! But there is some wisdom behind this posting by Peter too since there are several authors.. I dont think they collaborate much. [This message has been edited by Cpt.Caveman (edited 10-01-2001).]

Fuckin a dude! I bet it was the dude above man. I look forward to hearing the outcome David! Thanks for the Guiness.

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: If you think there is a problem with a rating, posting here is great but writing the guidebook author in a constructive manner might be even better! By the way how do you contact Fred ? I want to tell him I think some of his approaches are off as well as scramble ratings

I pretty much agree with Peter here. Many of the overinflated areas are at the North Bend crags and do come up elsewhere. I found a lot of the ratings are pretty close at Lworth and Index as well as Tieton since they match Yosemite.

On that note after reading what Jens had to say about Carnival Crack it might be one in contention? Smoot calls it 10c... Maybe they don't know because they (authors) simply have not climbed them is what I might guess. Viktor I would like to see a topo of where Bird's Nest Overhang is. I mean it is an original line and all. Somebody told me it was good too. [This message has been edited by Cpt.Caveman (edited 10-01-2001).]

Goat, I did it with a friend this spring. I remember he had done it before saying he had only rock shoes to descend many years back and vowed not to do that again. Wow must have been epic. I remember going down the steep snow in late spring and it was usefull to have crampons since they were light. I dont know the current conditions but only assume that they would be steeper and icier now. Since the climbing is mostly easy and all I dont think that carrying that extra weight would hinder you by any means at all.

quote: Originally posted by max: I worked on a ranger dist on the wenatchee and had the ... pleasure of working with Mr. Inthout several times. He's a jerk, and it's too bad he's in law enforcement. I've heard stories from within the FS that don't paint a pretty picture of him. Too bad he's not stuck in some soils lab titrating deer crap till he's blue in the face! You see Max registering a complaint because you received a citation may not go over well. Reason I think is that they (FS) might consider you just an angry person that was caught in the act of a violation of the law. I would suspect that this being the initial assumption that nothing would be done. Is there another way to voice your opinions or any better ideas on how to approach this dude. I agree that he was belligerent and abrasive as I have noted from last season's post I had on this same subject. In that post I warned about parking a distance away and gave similar details to David's above.

Also keep in mind when ascending some of those areas that have been hit by fire recently. There could be more trees down and thus will slow you considerably.

Oh and one more thing: If you park your vehicle 1/4th a mile away then you will not be cited.

quote: Originally posted by goatboy: The Bone! So good! Any chance of posting those videos online? I don't know how hard or easy that is to do, but I'd love to see footage of that thing! Not my work there, you will have to ask 009. I can tell you that he might have some cool footage for sure. Maybe a 10 minute fest of me trying to climb up a crack and hanging on gear

David this is almost the same exact experience I had last year. Was the officer's name Larry Inthout?

Bummer dude, I think I sent you guys some info (not detailed but my experience) on bushwhack and hard to find trails? Me being well versed in the bushwhack I may tend to think it can be more difficult than I say. Still I did not understand where you may have ascended to Mesa Lake clearly. Did you enter via Temple Canyon or Toketie Lake? I am lost. Of course I never personally thought any of the hikes into the Rat Creek group were going to be a pushover. I thought that it was obvious if I went in there myself that nailing more than one of those things would be in order due to the long walk.

Maybe for those wishing not to lose their complete manhood they can become hermaphrodites

Yes you can have fires. You missed out once again Drul. When are you going to get with the program homey

I drank beer with the company of other alcoholics near the campfire. Then we(Dr.Jay and Fendell) went to Castle Rock where we took falls and we had fun. 009 had a super adventure with his movie camera on The Bone

quote: Originally posted by slaphappy: Fuzzy Details? established line-Sudden Impact 5.11b Selkirks knifeblades protecting the crux extremely run-out (without fixed pro) "There are no tricky placements" Only question is, is the route worthwhile? Might consider what the 1st ascentionist has to say too! huh sounds like a stiff route for sure. I would consider the last question in the quote above...

If you bolt it be prepared for some sort of criticism if it is not in good style. I think if you can protect it then don't bolt it. I don't think that you need to come get advice from this website and that most people really know when they are doing wrong they just tend to ignore it. If you can get in a tcu or 2 then why bother. Although the quality of rock and all is a factor as well. Sure anyone can go buy a drill and push the button and drive in a bolt with a hammer. Then they have created a route but just make sure you think about the long lasting effects. Stainless hardware is a good idea that many ignore. Also is this an established line on well travelled stone. Ask yourself questions. It really sounds like this is an established line and that this friend may want to just learn how to place pro but your details are fuzzy. [This message has been edited by Cpt.Caveman (edited 10-01-2001).]