Cpt.Caveman

quote: Originally posted by Off White: My apologies Cavemen, I don't mean to put words in your mouth. No problem but next thing you know Dr Fart Amoron or Sexual Buttnugget will use it as a quote

quote: Originally posted by Off White: quote:Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: quote:For the Bush administration to suggest that we should attack Iraq because they "gassed their own people" is totally bogus. You are an idiot for taking my statements out of context like that. It's merely an example of his will and desperation. Work on your reading comprehension Cpt. Flamethrower: unless you are a member of the Bush administration I in no way stated that it was your suggestion. All I did was use a snippet of one of your brief posts as a springboard for my own spray. I know it always pisses you off, but I just can't help myself. No harm intended though.[/QB]Yeah but you make it like I am saying that or someone actually did. It aint true.

quote: Originally posted by Fence Sitter: the thing that makes me look at the rope is that teh cam was stripped....this suggests that it was placed well, but pulled out by brute force... i knwo it is purely speculation, but i cant think of anyother way the cam could have gotten mangled and still come out... Well I guess we can speculate about the outcome for some time. You never now sometimes. Hopefully it was not shotty gear but some things point to it. I know that I have climbed cracks there and got shotty placements in the rock sometimes but to say it was that is premature and arrogant. By shotty I mean that the cam walked or that not all the parts of the caming device touched properly. Sometimes it was 2 or 3 cams instead of 4. I am sad to hear someone die either way.

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: oh, hehe...I knew that! it was my first time to the range. um, well we returned on the 23rd, so I'm not sure what it has done since then. But here is what we saw. The weather was great for the first two days we were there while we were figureing out what we were going to do. Then as soon as we started climbing it be came unsettled. Rain showers below 8,000ft, and snow flurries above. Plus it was really windy up above tree line, on exposed ridges and stuff. Nasty enough that we decided that the summit wasn't worth the suffering. It was nice down on the glaciers though. Two weeks before we arived a big system moved in and put down up to 5ft of snow in some high places like Abbots pass hut. Then it was sunny and warm for a week, things settled out and melted quite a bit. The glaciers were mostly dry with some windblown pockets of snow. They were either blue ice, or firm snow crust. We didn't feel that it was nessecary to have avy gear as we didn't see any sign of recent slides. The trees were turning color, the huts were empty...and it was really nice, just a bit cold. I'd head back again in mid-september. The rock routes loked steller...next time. Werd up man that is the info I was lookin fer

I doubt static gear would cause a carabiner failure but I am no expert. I would also suspect that Goran would not use such a rope to begin with. It appears that the main indicator so far is that the gear failed to contact and hold with the rock like it is designed to. To claim it as a static line failure is pre mature if you ask me. I doubt seriously that this was the culprit. Hopefully we shall find another issue. Considering that a biner failed in a situation where successive cams failed in a row I can only suspect from my point of view that either the rock or cams or both could be to blame. But that still does not rule out the rope issue that I speculate is unrelated.

quote: Originally posted by Fence Sitter: yah there's no way it was static is there? cause that #1 camalot damage sounded SEVERE! I don't see any logic to that question. How would a static line do anything other than fail in this situation? It sounded like the rope was not failure here. Enlighten me.

right on klar I want to explore more there. Magic Bus looked fun as well as many others on 3:00 Rock.

Yeah but if I am offered a dinner for money I am just curious to the menu. I bet it will be cool but dont want to starve. Rumor from friend told me the video is awesome! I like the idea but would prefer a nice drink or 10

I think I am going As long as I am not black sheeped haha and mushrooms (not the funny ones) are not served.

I have to agree with bob about anti salesman. Plus i get to demo all the ice tools and crampons before I make a buying decision. Saves me time and money

The world is small. Thanks for the info on the accident. I hope to see you out there again when this is all at rest. [ 10-02-2002, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ]

being a gearhound for ice sucks. But Jim is a class a dude and is very knowledgeable too. The staff there are friendly and not intrusive like other places. There is a chill atmosphere and that is key for me. Little do people know that PMS orders stuff to your house even if it is not in the store or on the web. You just have to ask is all. Werd up.

Yeah bro. We like the adventure and don't need the belay stations marked so. BTW last time I was on slesse there were no belay markers or summit paint.

Hey Erden, Tell me this.. are you the dude I met on 8 mile buttress this spring or not? Someone told me that was you

quote: Originally posted by erden: Tensile tests on the lot of wiregate carabiners that Goran was using may be possible. Yeah dude. Did anyone contact Camp and give them data?

How were the mtn conditions lammy Just curious as I am a newbie to that range and couldn't figger out what the weather was going to do day to day. Probably could have done more myself but one of my partners was a weasel and the rest of us did not get along with him as well. At least we did some things though. There is a ton of rock climbing there and we met a bunch of cool people though.

quote: Originally posted by Greg W: SWEET ASS SWEET GRANITE!!! I bet there's some 5.10 dirt up there

Yeah and they climb on huge this stellar granite wall

One can wonder if the lower pieces walked into weird positions. I have had cams do that to me out there. That is why I thought hexes were better on some climbs there. Oh well bummer

Not trying to be a smart ass or bring flames. If I am reading this correctly it looks like one biner busted and all the pro ripped. I can't recall the rock being super slick on that climb. However I can believe the gear walking around on that rock. Is it possible that the protection was improperly placed Let us know how the investigation goes. Some of us are interested.

maps downtown vancouver is ITMB http://www.itmb.com 530 West Broadway Vancouver, B.C. Canada V5Z IE9 604 879 3621 Its 4 blocks from MEC

Hey Dave I had fun climbing silent running. I think it is bolted fine. You can't please everyone around. I can only say that I admire your work ethics and good attitude. It seems you have a grasp to me on overbolting and such. Climb on

Yeah some of us think you are charming as well

I've never heard of Ginger Snap but good luck.

Well in real life I am worse so SHUT UP and GET LOST because you are annoying with your Little game of a retard Super hero.