Peter_Puget

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My New Year Resolutions: 1. Get myself organized. 2. Spend three weeks in the Valley! 3. "Send" a Smith project this spring! 4. Go to a Pub Club! 5. TBA

Alex - Get out a bit more in the world. Customers are a pain in the rear all over to think the OR industry unique is absurd. Go have a and relax! PP

There seem to be jerk sales people in all stores; climbing stores don't seem anymore blessed with them than other type of store. I haven't found FF, REI, Marmot or PMS to be all that different from one another in terms of the service I receive. I usually don't ask for much help though. FF has a great selection of gear to drool over and the salespeople seem content to let me drool after I say I don't need help. Easy location to get to for me so I get there quite a bit esp. when wife wants to go to REI. REI never seems to have what I want. Marmot is my savior for equipment fondling when I am force by wife and girls to go to B Square. PMS is out of the way for me and for that reason alone I go there very infrequently. PP

You miss the point big time: the issue isn't returning goods but the dangers of purposeful customer sabotage of product. I mentioned fruit because it was damaged in the store no return at all. Clearly the number of cases of customer sabotage are few. Fewer still would be the numbers of cases of sabotage that would go undetected. Sadly the "shop" defenders are confusing "used" and returned. In the case at hand, the merch. clearly was not used. IF it is a real issue, let's see some real supporting documentation. I have sent emails to Shoreline and Mtn Tools asking what would happen if I bought crampons or a helmet through the mail and they did not fit. I will report back as to their replies are. A quick review of the Mountain Gear.com site not reveal any exclusions for returning technical equipment. And we know what REI says. Comparing an axe returned the day after Christmas (still adorn with tags) and returning used gear is just plain silly. PP PS - This policy notwithstanding FF is a very nice store and I will continue to check there first before going across the street to REI if I need stuff!

Yeow Daler blame the customer great insight there. And as far as the convictions lets see some references (if there are convictions there will be references) and I would also add specific excerpts from liabilitiy policies showing how equipt. cannot be returned. I have to believe that if there were several convictions insurers would be hot on this issue. Remember the context of the post Christmas return for a a different size. Remember also fruit has been poisened in grocery stores and yet I can still go squeeze the fruit. I have to still call BS on this issue. PP

Sorry I have to agree with Trask on this one. There is no reason for a store not to accept returns as outlined above. Please show me one real example ( w/ a real reference) showing how a company accepting such a return has had their ass damaged! PP

My only regret is that I have but one 5 star vote to give him!

Once on a climbing trip (first one with this partner) we were at the trailhead and putting on our packs (the approach was only a 20 minute hike) when I noticed he was wearing a holster with a pistol in it. I casually ask if it was loaded he answered of course. The next week we were camping out in the middle on knowwhere and these redneck yahoos were nearby getting drunk by a raging bonfire. Having had problems with similar rednecks in the past I was at first a bit nervous but then thinking of the gun near Name deleted's head I went off to sleep withoput a worry.

Hey guys the survey didn't say centerfolds were becoming fat; it said they were more androgynous! Big difference! Kinda like climbing! Look at the poster boy climbers of the past. E.g. E. Comici (sp?) or J. Long standing below the Nose. The compare these studs to thin boy climbers of today. As far women: give me the curves any day. PP who is getting balder and fatter by the minute

Interesting interview: Jon Gill Interview

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Parks Finance Page Parking fees as in most user fees are a fraud! The State has a history of not meeting its commitments with regard to them. The use of user fees has resulted the state having an interest in maintaining a budgetary state of crisis. The above link has lots of great info. I suggest everyone take the time to read the fiancial info.

All of my personalities just voted for you DFA - Dont forget us after the election!

YA GregW and I must have gone to the same finishing school!

DFA - You lucky guy. After weeks of campaigning last year end I ended up with two less votes than you do at the time of this posting.

I bought that 38 guide the other night instead of the new Vantage guide. Here is my quick assessment: 1. The usual ratings debate will be sure to follow. 2. It is big - many (perhaps too many) pages and large dimensions. Hard to stuff in a pack I think. Nice plastic protector sheets should help with this. 3. Valley View crags look stunning. I have been to the Valley View East crag and can vouch for its high quality ratings. 4. All the routes are shown via photos. No bolt placements are shown. Similar to Deceptioncrags.com Same guy did the paper guide. 5. Lots of new routes and several new areas. Smoot appearently had the name wrong on that slab route that was being hyped not too long ago. Lots of effort went into the guide and it shows. 6. The writer loves the area and his enthusiasm shows. It is nice to read a book and feel the writer's love of the area. In this case his enthusiasm is catchy and I can't wait to check out some of the new areas. 7. The notes to each route are shown in tables at the end of each section which is kind of a pain because you have to keep paging back and forth thru the book. All in all I bet lots of climbers will spend Chrismas afternoon sipping coffee and paging thru this high quality guide wishing they were actually at the crags! PP

Breach is declared officially

Looks like they deleted the thread. I didn't call CC.com a dive bar. I merely warned the gentle RC.com readers that CC.com was a rougher place.

Hey are you the perfect wife: Cleaver Mortar & Pestle Large measuring cup (4 cup) PP

California bound. Will try to go climbing a day or two. Hope the weather improves!

Erik - Here is the straight scoop. Hangout with her and to the extent you can get her to support your climbing lifestyle do it. Don't utter the "L" word. Take time to figure out what you really want to do. Climbing can be pretty boring but rainy dark winters are always depressing. Don't make a quick decision! PP

Thanks Fairweather! I agree with your comments completely. Odd how J_B has been calling for "peer reviewed" studies in another thread. Weird because the implication is that a peer reviewed study would be (relatively) free of bias. Note that he calls for this freedom only in this case. The Nation article defending the Arming of America clearly is defending the indefensible (one of many I would say) yet he presented The Nation as a persuasive unbiased source of info. In another thread he suggested that one of the Professors he was quoting was an Israeli without an point of view (here is the quote from Mtngoat's binary world:_"These texts are not from anyone's press in particular, they are opinions and witness accounts by people with a good knowledge of the israeli state, often israeli citizens themselves.") The odd thing is this professor has taught at a Palestinian School and is far from a typical Israeli. He is actively a political beast. Apparently the standards of truthfulness and full disclosure are only to be upheld if there is a "peer review" process to catch you if you fib. The so-called "liberal" press is an embaressment of rigid "group think" and cognative dissonance. Happily the fallacies of Arming of America were caught. What is sad is (and I would encourage everyone to spend 15 minutes researching this) was how vociferous the defense was and still is. PP

Posted a link and already three anon users were reading the mighty MoS!