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I'll give my cobras to the first person who can guess tha name of that route, who put it up, and who did the first ascent. And what other climb in that area is named after his son? No cheating...

not that I know of

I do too, but they seemed to fit me well. The Trango Extremes are lighter and cheaper though...

Greg, Try on the Kaylands they have in the Climbing dept at REI. They are nice boots.

Sorry about that outburst...that punk's comment just pushed me over the edge. ditto what SEF said.

Bolt_clipper, I have held my tounge for a long while reading your imature posts about things which you obviously know nothing about. I can hold it no longer. SHUT THE FUCK UP Not only have you offened SAR members, some of which are my friends, but you have offended people who owe a great debt of gratitude to those who voulanteer their free time to save peoples asses when the shit hits the fan. You'll be singing a different tune when you eventualy get your dumb ass stuck in a pinch.

Got some extra time on your hands Dave?

I'm not sold on the Ergo...te balance feels too funky. So I'll let you use your methods of deduction to figure out which tools I want. Not that I don't like the Cobras. I think they are the best all around tool out there, and it's treated me well. Mine are in mint condition. Used only on three trips to Lilooet last winter. Just for comparison, here are some Cobra prices elsewhere: REI: $583 with tax and no leashes. Gearexpress: $583 w/tax and shipping, no leashes ShorlineMnt: ditto Any other retail shop: you'll pay suggested retail + tax MEC: $450 no leashes, and wont ship to US Barrabes: Is not currently selling Cobras Sportextreme: Doesn't sell Cobras Second Ascent: word is they have a pair, but who knows ebay: $325 starting, good deal, but if you think you'll pay $325 4 days from now...keep dreamin Hope that helps.

see...me smarter than they thought I was

Hey, just curious... How do these threads keep changing names?

Although I love BD stuff, and own alot of it. I think it's kind of refreshing to go into a shop and not see BD stuff plastered all over the walls. PMS has more stuff from small manufacturers, usualy hard too find, and often made in the US. Thats one of the reasons I'd go you PMS over other shops. Not to look for the same old Patagughi stuff, aor BD Camolots. However, in all the shops I've worked at, Camolots were allways the best sellers...

Haha, thats funny...and true. But I'm just not that attatched to the Cobras. I wanna bit more nimble tool with more curve and a smaller grip.

Haha...well that would take the fun out of the "make an offer" game now wouldn't it... You know you want'em bolt_clipper...don't resist the temptation!

Like new, used only one season. 2 hammers, picks in good shape. $375 Firm $400 w/lockdown leashes.

I've been looking into new boots latel also. I'd say thet are more medium weight. They are pretty bomber durablity wise. But I have heard the suck to walk long distances in because they don't have much rocker. Take a look at the Trango S, or Extreme. Both are lighter. The Extreme is probably beter than the S for wet snowy conditions. Kayland makes an awsome boot also, too bad Feathered Friends stopped carrying them.

I'm not so sure Jim is outright against BD stuff, although he may be. What I do know is that it can be difficult as a small retailer to meet BD's minimum order size. Tere is alot more that goes on behind the scense regarding buying merchandise at wholesale. Jim may be part of a buying group that does not distribute BD. Anyway, that is just all speculation...the stuff he does carry kicks ass, and fills the gaps that all the other shops miss, the best light stuff around. It looks like PMS is sporting the Leashless Grivel tools and aluminum 'poons up there...nice!

Bolt_Clipper, What kind of gloves were you trying the Ergos with? I think they are fine with a thinner type glove. I also like the Cobra grip over the Rage type. Not because it is less pumpy to hold onto, but becasue it seems to put less preasure on your fingers. Thin grips hurt my fingers more on Steep ice. Got some ideas from Mike at FF today about modifying the Cobra, thanks Mike. He basicaly cut the BD Ice clipper appart and Hose Clamped one end to the shaft of the Cobra. He also took the hammer piece off and used a regular nut to fasten the pick. Then he wrapped the shaft in hockey tape. Sounds cool, I may try it. I like that it is temporary!

Petzl-Ecrin Rock, practicaly brand new, used only a few times. Minor scratches. Never hit or dropped, you have my word. 50$ obo Lowa Civetta Extremes (the red ones w/gtx liners) US 9.5 In good condition with only superficial wear. 250$ obo

haha

P.S. the most recent avalance advisory suggests the same advice... sorry, but I don't have time to search out the link. Also, don't bring your soft shell!

Col, I'd probly stay on snow that is over rocks. It will be much more firmly anchored than snow over ice/snow left over from the summer. I almost got taken out by a huge slide skiing after the first storm of the season in the Rockies. It was 2 ft of windslab on top of summer ice. Oh what an ignorant fool I was, worse yet I actualy was the one who convinced my friends that it was a good idea. The slab missed us by a hair as we were hiking up to ski it a second time... Take that shit seriously!

You could probably expect it tobe loaded with a good amount of windblown snow on top of an ice crust. So if you like that sortathing...go for it!

Iwant...I wan't...I want... Charlet Ergo's and Trango Ice boots. But I won't be getting either this year. Ill be happy just to go climb some Ice in Montana over Christmas.

I hope to use my firnds Ergo's next week in Bozeman. I'll let you know what i think about the swing... Damn, i wish I was sponsord...he gets all the cool new shit.

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