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so lets say the road is closed to to lack of budget for maintenance and has nothing to do with bolts. then what? you have to hike in, or even ride a bike or motorcycle in. so it prevents you from going after work...but is it that much of a tragedy? one complaint I heard is that it will reduce traffic in there so moss will overcome the routes... come on now...I though you Washington hard man were use to pulling cruxes with a brush in one hand...

hmmm... pretty ironic then I guess. whatever, I guess don't know the whole stroy....but who realy does? 1% of the total Washington climbing community...maybe.

ha, yes I suppose I am...

hey james, speaking from experince I can tell you that a select group of moderators not only "grunt through work all day at wherever just to come home and gossip about all the cc.comers..." but also, gossip about cc.comers all day while at work! no lie bro.

plus what I said about Darrington is that if it were to get shut down because of bolting issues, there would be no one to blame but you and your friends....who apparently don't respect the guidelines provided by the land managers. You dig your own grave you sleep in it. Personaly I despise slabs and only climb them if they are an unavoidable part of a route that has climbing that I enjoy. So Darrington isn't on my short list of climbing areas to visit. Although I can appreciate that some people like it alot, it sure looks beuatiful in the photos. Too bad a select few people perhaps love the area, but fail to respect the strings attatched. If the same thing happened in Yosemite because of a few people who have in the last few years have been using power drills on El Capitan, I would be devistated, but have essentialy the same opinion, and a severe scorn for those few disrespectfull individuals, who I would just assume see beaten to a pulp.

mattp, respectfully... First off all, I didn't want to throw stones at the WCC...which is why I made my brief comment and dropped it. But since you want to continue the discussion, here is my opinion...that is if opinions are still allowed by the offical moderator rule book. It all depends on what their motives are. Which I'm not sure of since no offcial stance other than "protect access" has been published that I am aware of. Maybe it has.... I know Andrew Sell and Bryan Burdo personaly. I spent alot of time talking with them and climbing with them at Vertical World while I worked there and they climbed there alot. Both very nice people, who I totaly got along with and appreciated as guests of VW. But I don't necessarily condone or agree with their actions around Washington state. Forinstnace, grid bolting North Bend Areas, New Halem, Mt. Baring...and setting up fixed ropes to work the route all summer long. I'll share one conversation I had with Brian that pretty much set my opinion in stone. We were talking about El Capitan, and he suggested that instead of having cracks with growing pin scars and fixed pieces like copperheads, why not just bolt the cracks to preserve them. We were talking about the "Shield" route in particular. He was dead serious. Now if you don't see the problem with that sort of mentality then well, I don't think anything I can say would help you. Would I want him to go to the FS and speak in my behalf, just because he has alot of experience opening up areas to massive bolting efforts. Hell no. That's all. I would like to get involved, honestly. Maybe someday I will. But for now I'd rather spend the very little free time I have either climbing with buddies or hanging with my wife.

werd....I'll probly see you all at Tuff Love, so don't kick my ass in front of my wife. for me this was all about get fired up to go wall climbing next weekend. mods set themselves up as targets by the way they dictate this site, they need to get knocked off their high horses once in a while, probly will take more Spray then I have got to offer. you can go back to being serious and nice to each other now. SPRAY IS DEAD.....even caveman is a fuckin pansy nowadays, bring back the old cc.com, bring back Trask!

chill bill, I was replying to jay...sheesh...some people you wern't around back when Cavey pulled his I WILL KILL YOU moves on me (while the moderators at the time sat back and laughed it up, by the way)...so I wouldn't expect you to get that bit of retro humor circa 2001.

KILL yeah, so it goes. sometimes I love being the person people love to hate. Regarding the WCC I was actually pretty serious on both accounts...where the fuck is it? Lot of talk around here...any action? And also regarding the vast majority of it's co founders...being some of the most active bolters in the state. You sure you want people with their record going to bat for you on access preservation when the some of the biggest apparent threats to wilderness climbing are bolted routes in wilderness areas? But that's all too fuckin serious for this thread. This thread is about "Free Advice" and how the mommies on this site love to dish it out and spoon feed it to us whenever they get the chance. So far I have gotten a bunch, which is more or less what I was hoping for. I'd love to get more...maybe even a "temporary ban" taboot...just to see if they raealy have any teeth or not. Apparently not, either that or I just haven't done a good enough job provoking them to abuse their "morerator privilages" yet.

donkey, I never said I was leaving anything you big dumb fuckstick. I said I quit your afternoon gossip group because I thought it was silly. Take Reading 101 again at community college some time. It'll do ya some good...even if you spend the rest of your life cutting tree branches down...that is, when you can remember to bring your chainsaw to the job

Motherator....uuuhhh, I mean moderator quotes: oooh, I hated that one, very retro...one of mammas biggest guns from her arsenal. early elementary school stuff when I used to fight with my sister. Shocked! She used to pull that one out to make me feel real guilty, like when she'd fake beeing upset with me about something. The classic sympathy quote..."be nice they are peeeeople too..." whatever mom Another serious guilt trip line. Nothing worse then having mom "dissapointed" in you. What mom said to me when I failed calculus in Highschool (cause I used to smoke bongs with my bro's right before class....shhhh) oooppps, not mom, but classic Old school caveman from the KILL days. This was more like Dad after a case of Miller. God damn I allways wanted to slap mother when she said that shit to me. Cheap ass card to pull cause she couldn't think of anything better to say.

why do all the people officialy affiliated with this website sound like my fucking mother?

ain't much of a soap opera here...just reminicing about the old days... I wish I had a dollar for everytime someone in this thread asked me to give it up, starting with the first post. PS. I stay up much later then 11, 'bout midnight I'll toss on a good skin flick to get the evening started

my point is I got a big fuckin chode right here you can suck on, come on over I'm warmin' it up for ya. bring yer merry little henchmen with ya too.

did I spell it wrong...spelling bee queen?

first time sprayin in a while... and first time pagemutherfukin top ever too oh, I ain't sad...

So far yo've seen all the main cast of the mod soap opera all star line-up chime in...chelle, minx, Alex, AlpineK, mattp...(with a guest appearence from jon in his own ussual abstract type cast)...and they have all pretty much ripped on me in one way or another. Pretty soon they'll all then go back to their den and ban me for however long they see fit. fine by me, just proves what a bunch of cocknosed lillylivered two faced double standard bastards they are.

I quit your fucking mod jerk circle you stupid monkey fuckers...sheesh go chop down some old growth and power drill some bolts in the darrington wilderness.... yer both a couple of old fat has beens who think they know shit about everything and run the PNW climbing scene. your a couple of tools to the highest order. Hows your WCC thing going mattp, haven't heard a thing about it...wuz up, nobody want's to join your stupid club and have a bunch of mad bolters representing them....go figure.

crutch- don't sweat the peanut galley man, all these punks think they are high and mighty just cause they see things 20/20 in hindsight.

Hey Dwayner, just FYI- I was wholeheartedly against the banishment of "Dwayner," and spoke only in oposition in the secret forum, as well as with pope's bannings. But I'm glad you are still here. Even if you are an asshole...

don't climb Raineir in the Trango S (red ones) unless it is like Septemebr and you are on solid blue ice the whole time. They are not waterproof for shit. I climbed halfway up (winded off) Shasta in the Trango Extreme S and they were great. For something a bit heavier and insulated but not plastic I like the old Technica Altitude Plus's (orange). Got mine cheap at Jim's shop.

minx, first of all, i don't think I put my spray in the wrong forum. so I assume you are talking about somebody else. second, I'd like to know what "laundry" I have supposedly aired anywhere? ...other then the fact that 90% of the active moderators are total fucking gossip sluts behind closed doors. which everybody knows already.

^^^^^::HOLIER THAN THOU::^^^^^^^ "quit making me work so hard..." STFU you are wasting tiome at work like the rest of us. whatever...:: I'm pretty sure I'm the only ex-moderator to speak to what went on in the moderator forum without betraying the group. Spending five minutes in that forum was worse then being sick at home from school and having to watch soap opera episodes with your grandma all fuckin day .