Lambone

Matt, You are right... And risers help on any tele ski, but especialy fat ones. Not only cause of the boot drag issue, but they help you get the ski over on its edge. My $.02

You Rock!

Nice, thanks jon - you're rad!

Wired, I want 'em!! Check your PMs and or e-mail.

-Drury Falls-Whatever comes in at Banks-N. Face Chair-Anything in Canada-The Zodiac, El Cap on Christmas break-Of course-Hyalite Canyon(must)-Fun Backcountry turns Not necessarily in that order...

I hear that Gary Brill puts on a good course. We have a flyer up in the gym, I can get more specifics later tonight, or call Vertical World in Seattle.

All AT bindings (except Dynafit) should work with Plastics. No tele bindings will. Go with Silverreta 300's if you want a cheap approach set up. They are bomber, but don't release...be carefull!! Oh yeah, BTW skiing in plastic boots with a pack on is a wonderfull experience, especialy in breakable crust!!

What about the Who's Online feature? Am I just missing it somewhere? That was kinda cool, you could see that you were not the only bored procrastinator out there!

So there [ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: lambone ]

Alpine Trekkers = Bullshit

Carolyn, Thats a good question! Here is a long winded acount of what I did.... I learned the basics of rock climbing while living in the burbs of Chicago. I didn't have any partners either. So I read lots of books and messed around with stuff. (burn freedom of the hills) One day while out skateboarding I found a random industrial park a mile or so down the steet from my house. I checked it out, looking for something to railslide, but what I found were several large buildings covered in rock siding. Each building had different types of rock in varying degrees of quality. So I came back with my rack and started bouldering around placing peices where ever I could. Then I'd go back and pull 'em all out.(one night I had to jump from 20ft and run from the cops!) I did this everyday after school for a couple of years. When I had the chance to get up to Devils Lake in Wi I'd always build the TR anchors, and try placing gear while on top-rope. Then I'd have more experienced partners check them out. I started leading stuff that I new I wouldn't fall off of, got really scared a few times and all that. And so on and so forth.... Here are a few min tips I'd give. Follow, follow, follow. The best way to learn about placing gear is to take it out. But don't just rip it out blindly, look at it carefully and evaluate how it went in BEFORE you take it out. Once you start on the sharp end, lead easy stuff that you know protects well, and place alot of peices...if you have 'em. Also, try to clean your own gear when possible, it will give you a good feel for what's good and what's not so good. Third, find a good course and take it! Think of it as cheap life insurance. Set up an anchor class at the local rock gym with the most experienced staff member. What ever you can find...I took my first oficial class after 10 years of climbing (on self resuce). I was amazed by how much I din't know about technical systems and such, and I felt very lucky that I've never needed that knowledge before (knock on wood). Take care, have fun, and be safe! [ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: lambone ]

You should post that stuff on the WA Kayakers club web site. I sold a boat off there in less than a week. http://www.wakayakclub.com

I thought the ratings were kind of fun. It would be cool if we could rate treads as well, as someone said before.

Stevens is claiming a 16 inch base Sun stay away!!!!!

Caveman hath many enemies...Don't worry buddy your next! Oh, and payso, don't worry just keep climbin and the desire to jump on the sharp end will come to you. Have fun! [ 10-25-2001: Message edited by: lambone ]

"Not afraid are you.....ohhh you will be....you will be...." Yoda Hey, my girl is also just learning to tele. I been showin her the ropes, so to speak.We got passes to Steven and should be up there once or twice a week this year. If you wan't some one to ski with I'll trade a lesson for a beer in the lodge! Send me a P.M. when the season roles around. Have fun!

Western Mountaineering Versalite is a great bag. I'm sure the Freinds have something equally nice. Jim Nelson sells Ushba at pro Mountain Sports. But you really want ice tools anyway...

Carolyn, My vote for a vertical ice boot is the Las Trango Extreme. Definately go see Twight. Bring a flask fuul of tequilla, and see if you can match shots with him while hes giving the show!!

Hahahhaha....nice. Except I have three cats, and they'd kick any dogs ass!

I have a freind who posts here sometimes...He tells me that he used to ride the train for an hour and a half (one way)through Tokyo to get to the climbing gym. The train cost $15 and the gym cost $25. A three hour commute and $40 just to climb in a super packed gym. I'm not sayin that a gym in Tacoma wouldn't be cool, 'cause every city should have one...but, I think sometimes we forget how good we have it here in the US. [ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: lambone ]

I'm with chocolate, I've got three cats! I once stepped on a poor dog while belaying on an ice climb. It wasn't my fault, I was watching my partner and she curled up behind me. My crampon punctured her leg Then she preceded to try and follow her owner up a route(unsuccesfully of course) and got totaly pegged by diner plates. Dogs and Ice climbing don't mix. [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 10-24-2001).]

quote: Originally posted by sexual chocolate: You know very well Retrosaurus made a typo. 20,000 is what he meant. And his point is valid. It's easy to second-guess from the safety and comfort of your arm-chair. Any fool can do that. And any fool can be an arm-chair hero. Try it when your own life is in danger, and you feel death knocking at your door. Let's see how selfish your genes are then. Look guys, I'm not arguin that, infact I'm agreeing with you, check out my original post- "It is easy to speculate about what a "wussie" he was up on Everest, at least while you sit behind your computer down here at sea level... The simple fact is that Anatoli was probably the only one fit enough to be out there in the middle of the night cunducting a rescue. Thats how it goes...If Krackhead had been out there too, it would have been just one ore body for him to drag back to camp." I am disagreeing with the attitude that Dennis has. Of course the first rule of any rescue is to asses the dangers, and make sure the accident scene is safe for the rescuers. But Dennis is saying that he would not help a stranger on a mountain, period. Where's the brotherhood, the kinship? We are all tied to a common bond when we are in the mountains, regardless of any language barrier, or etc...Sure competition on a mountain is normal, common, and to be expected when there are multiple parties on a route or a face. But that has to end if someone gets in trouble. All climbers have to chip in to help their fellow climbers. Let me give an example, I'll try to make it short. To buddies of mine from Montana were on the Infinate Spur last year. There was another party of well know Canadian climbers not far above them. Glen and Gren got avalanched on in a couloir one day. The party above wrote them off as dead, and phoned the rangers with a cell, then they kept climbing. The rangers went and picked up Glen's basecamp, and called their parents to notify them that their children had died in Alaska. Well gues what, they wern't dead, and they soon caught up to the Canadians who were quite suprised. My question is this. Why didn't the Canadians invesigate to see if their fellow climbers needed help? (They may have, I haven't heard their point of view) The point is, what if my buddies were stuck to die below them, and had been just simply abandoned. Is that right???

Boy, yeah I hear it's really rough above 2,000 ft... Hey man, you do what you can - even if its just making tea in camp for people who can head out. It's a moral obligation to help if you can. If it's hopless, thaen I guess thats a different story. Look at Alex Lowe on Denali, the dude carrys a guy that he's never seen or met before up to a spot where a helicopter can pick him up. Now thats heroism. [This message has been edited by lambone (edited 10-24-2001).]

quote: Originally posted by JERRY SANCHEZ: I WENT UP MT. SI THIS PAST WEEKEND With your plastic boots right???

Thats a lame attitude, remind me NOT to help you out if the shit lands on you someday. In my opinion, it's an unwritten rule that if a climber or team of climbers is in trouble and you are in the area, you drop what ever the hell you are doing and go help out. It's called karma - look it up. But then again, mabye you just learned about mountaineering from the flick Vertical Limit...