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Erik, listen up. I AIN'T DWAYNER! But I did a nice hike and took a Sauna Sausage with him just yesterday, and I interviewed him for his opinions on some of the nonsense one encounters on this site recently. He informed me that he had altogether stopped posting before he was banned. The notion that he logs on under some other name or "avatar" is mistaken. He hasn't logged on under another name in over a year, and he has no desire to do so. He said he would consider participating if he were invited back. I personally feel that it isn't very classy when some of our moderators (not naming names 'cause I don't want Erik and Matt getting upset) suggest that Dwayner is logging on under some other mysterious name, just because the participant happens to agree with Dwayner (such as I do)....or when the contributor pays Dwayner a compliment (such as Chirp did). It is certainly less than classy when our moderators allow Dwayner to continually be attacked (by Cracked et al.) even though he hasn't had the opportunity to defend himself. Guys, do your jobs. Get some class while you're at it.

This is hilarious. Bring back Dwayner!

I'm aware of a secret cave that's got some bats............and about 400 bolt holes!

Great story. But this is a rock climbing forum. I come here to get advice on how to climb 5.13, not listen to your war stories. Monitors, could we move this thread to Spray?

It would seem that a responsible climber would first ask, "In what way would a new sport route actually improve the climbing and aesthetics of this crag?" You might then follow this with, "How will other climbers (or other recreational users of the area) react to establishing a sport route here?" When considering this question, one should also research the line to ascertain whether it has been climbed previously without bolts, either as a bold lead or perhaps as an established toprope problem. I don't think we are responding adequately to the original question in this thread. The question was not, "How do I place a bolt?" Rather, it appears that a climber who hasn't actively developed sport routes is curious about the ENTIRE process. I can't believe that not one person on this site has suggested that the very decision to establish a sport route must be carefully scrutinized prior to drilling.

Oh, how I long to bugger a furry little Bill in the heather.

And sport climbing gives one the impression that "letting go" is without consequence.

Rig a top rope. You get your safe, comfortable practice climb without making a messy bolt trail. Pure safety and pure movement is found on the end of a TR and most of the routes at J-tree can be TR'd. Everybody wins. Just a thought.

I thought he was riding this:

Today I noticed a young woman with a tatoo on the small of her back. Now, I'm thinking, what's that going to look like when the small of her back ain't the small of her back?

Whatcha doin' there, big boy? Shadow boxing? Pickin' on Dwayner while your big brothers hold him down? If that's supposed to be funny, you might consider hiring Veggie Belay as a comedy coach. He certainly nailed the punch line (boom boom!) this time.

Oh Lamby, do tell the Mt. Baker 9-1-1 story again!

I can't deal with the arbitary editing that goes on daily around here. What was once a truly great website is virtually fulfilling Orwellian prophecy. Posts disappear....contributors disappear without any rationale. It is personally motivated. It is a juvenile way of handling diverse opinions. I'm going over to the Nature Conservancy to see what I can do to help. Contact me at freitag314@hotmail.com from now on. Bye bye.

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MattP is good at making his own points, but in this case, since you may have misunderstood his message, I think he's suggesting that because these new mixed climbs are kind of new/novel/rare, somehow having a few of them around is less obnoxious than the dime-a-dozen sport routes along I-90. Difficult, long mixed climbs have been put up in the Rockies and often go unrepeated for decades. Some haven't been repeated. And they weren't rap bolted. Part of difficult mixed climbing has always been dealing with the diffulties in arranging protection. You think that you can somehow throw that aspect of mixed climbing out and do this sport/ice monkey busines....and this is going to prepare you for difficult mixed climbing in the high mountains, where there is no string of bolts? You guys who claim to be interested in pushing the standards of ice/mixed climbing are just taking the lazy way out. Instead of climbing big, bold and truly challenging mixed routes, you're piddling around on some safe-n-sane, road-side pitch that had been arrogantly bolted, under the assumption that those who pursue winter sports at the pass will benefit from these permanent modifications.

Please. Enough is enough. I miss Dwayner terribly and he hasn't responded to any of the PM's I've sent since he was banned. Pope, Figger 8....somebody....anybody! Please send Dwayner a message from "J". Tell him that I'm pregnant and I've narrowed it down to about 12 guys that it might have could have been. Tell him that he made the short list and that he's going to need to submit some DNA samples.

Currently tied at 32 for, against banning Dwayner. Hmmm. I took AlpineK's advice and read some of Dwayner's stuff and I gotta say, he IS hilarious and pretty darn polite. Bring him back!

JayB, take a flying flip. You're just another turd in the bowl. That is the essence of both you and your contribution to this site. You were making progress, learning (ever so slowly) how to be a cool guy. Now, you're flushing it down in one enormous, commodial spiral. Thanks for the informative post, Poper. I appreciate your wasting 2 seconds of my valuable time. I'm more certain than ever that a family-sized tube of "Preparation H" would make you disappear.

JayB, take a flying flip. You're just another turd in the bowl. That is the essence of both you and your contribution to this site. You were making progress, learning (ever so slowly) how to be a cool guy. Now, you're flushing it down in one enormous, commodial spiral.

Wow, it appears that nearly half the people replying to this pole would like to see Dwayner return. It also appears that only 26 out of about 1000 registered users wish to see him banned. Perhaps Dwayner's participation brings more sunshine to this site than some of our moderators have perceived. Come on guys, enough is enough. Bring back big "D" ! Bring back Trask while you're at it. This has been a nifty experiment and we've all learned our little lessons. Let's get on with it already!

I said that my dealings with you have been pleasant and that I appreciate the hard work you have done in constructing this site. I didn't say you were my friend; don't go around claiming that I'm your friend either. We could work something out, but first you have to return Dwayner his spraying priveleges.

Trask provides entertainment and incite between the lines of humor and satire. Pope and Dwayner provide discord and disruption. That is why Trask is winning. I'm not on trial here. Just what the heck is "incite" anyway?

when I first started postong Dwayner and Pope had the funniest BEST TR's on this whole site. I think you have selective memory Erik. True. Though they were all made up bullshit involving Donna Top Step and Teddy Ruxpin. The pope/donna story was inspired by an actual event, by a guy who didn't want to go out in the wind to get rid of something. While I went out on the Emmons to fetch some snow to melt, he remained in the tent and tried to land one in the blue bag ......but missed. But I guess AlpineK found no value in being entertained by this kind of thing, and you know the rest of the story. Until Dwayner is allowed entrance again, we are doomed to read yet another post from Sphinx and his abrasive attacks on anybody and everybody.