Dru

Dynamite - bummer Re: your story. as to retaliation being illegal, what he was doing is illegal - sometimes you have to fight fire with fire?

On Needle Peak, climbing out of the clouds, blue sky, wind crusted snow everywhere... sun blasted my shadow out onto the clouds and there it was .... the Brocken Spectre. I had been looking for that thing for 8 years!

quote: Originally posted by fredrogers: The SS Badge is a nice touch, Drew. ???? I though it was George Bush's Skull and Bones membership badge or something to do with pirates?? not only was i never in the ss but I have never been to brazil OR argentina!

Scott, from now on we wil call ourselves TRAD PRIDE and say "We're rad, we're trad, and we're not in the closet anymore. we got racks, we like cracks and we leave tracks up and down every peak around". we will have a rainbow coloured banner and wear pansies in our hair. sorry about your cat, man. did you know overfeeding an animal is pet abuse? i'm gonna report you to the spca.

quote: Originally posted by Doug: While sitting next to Big Lou and equally Big Jim (Yup, seen 'em at the same place and same time, hence they are not the same person)Watching a slide show of some of their early exploits presented by Wolf Bauer, Lou leans over to Jim and says "is that you or me in the picture, I forget". Forget about Lou and Jim, what about Dwayner and Pope? Anybody seen them at the same time (aside from Donna or "hemlock"?)

What is with the handcuffs thing? Beck are you a) a cop b) a ranger c) The Gimp from Pulp Fic. If c) where do you get those masks? we could install them on sprayers on this site (myself included) and zip and unzip mouth as appropriate...

Mike O'b what are the GPS coordinates of that location? Capt needs to know to program the cruise missile properly.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: please explain why when one group takes a perfectly good name and associates it with some dumb ass ideology that the rest of us should roll over and let them have it?some of my ancestors were a clan in scotland drinking single malt and lifting each others kilts long before any Alabama inbred jed in a sheet started calling himself klan. sooooo therrrre. The existence of certain hitherto secret organizations can no longer be denied... [This message has been edited by Dru (edited 08-10-2001).]

please explain why when one group takes a perfectly good name and associates it with some dumb ass ideology that the rest of us should roll over and let them have it?some of my ancestors were a clan in scotland drinking single malt and lifting each others kilts long before any Alabama inbred jed in a sheet started calling himself klan. sooooo therrrre.

Gimli from the SW. Takes 1 hour to hike to this point from the parking lot!! [This message has been edited by Dru (edited 08-10-2001).]

Maybe you should have a "mass trespass" with hundreds of people all declaring themselves to be fee - free at once instead of piecemeal resistance? it worked in Britain for public access to the countryside. as to allthumbs who said basically - show me a better government system - 90% of BC is crown land and it does not cost you a thing to use it. even in parks - no services=no fees. we are not perfect but on this issue i would have to say we are better! as a canadian i dunno about refusing to pay the user fee though. you guys pay for public lands in your taxes - us furriners dont. what should I do if im down at l'worth hiking in to snow creek and i get busted for no pass? I know -I will tell them my name is Matt Lambert. that should work [This message has been edited by Dru (edited 08-10-2001).]

Waaaahhhhh.... I will revoke my KTK hon. memb. if I have to stop posting to the Cascadesprayers.com.

I work for the government. I lie. In fact I'm lying RIGHT NOW IN THIS VERY SENTENCE. Nuff said.

Oooh, we are officially SPRAY now. Good call Jon/Tim.

I like the black fingernails look it is so 90's Goth. "Oh i love Tool and my parents So don't understand me. I wish i was a Vampire!" Now I will get outraged PMs from Goths no doubt. Luckily its hard to climb in a black lace mumu so I wont see them at the crags.

Good thing you corrected that Parker I had my bottle of nail polish out and ready to go!

Well I will say the topo for Castle Rock, mainly the upper part, is probably the poorest topo in Viktors book. I found it easy to get confused about which route runs where in the upper part of the Rock above Angel. but all the routes seem to merge anyways...and be about the same difficulty. Viktor maybe for the next book you need to blow this section up a bit or use some shading or colors to distinguish one route from another*? See that is a polite criticism but I'm certain V. was glad to know that someone out there thought the topo was poor whether it was expressed in my fashion or in another way. *Or maybe some text explaining which line is followed where? In the topo the pod of Saints looks like a double crack system, not a pod, until you figure it out. Too many lines of the same thickness = confusion.

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: Yeppers who the heck is Neri? see thread about ultimate rack hes the guy (?) that brings 25 feet of rabbit ears with him, what the ?????

quote: Originally posted by mattp: I know I brought him up, but let's not turn this into a discussion of the crazy guy who climbs in a white suit. does he post here? I hope I havent offended anyone? I brought up crack cleaning and mentioned a specific example in an effort to counter your suggestion that it would only be one who has done something that he knows is wrong who would not want to stand up in public. Maybe the "crazy guy" is a poor example or maybe he is a perfect one, but my point is that hesitant publishers may not be doing anything that, in hindsight, will be viewed poorly by most climbers. So....they haven't done anything wrong - but they don't want to publish because someone might irrationally criticize them anyways? On this BBS I can only think of 2 controversial routes - Condorphamin, which, not having done myself, i can only recap that people here seemed to think was a good route, but overgraded and unnecessary bolting...route developer shpould take those opinions into account for further routes... and some project on east face of Concord that ppl were worried was going to be another full sport job with bolts next to cracks etc - once someone gave some concrete details like the bolts were going to be on 12+/13 face pitches with no other pro and there was gonna be plenty of crack climbing on gear, everyone shut up about it. Route criticism seems to increase in direct proportion to absence of concrete info on it, get those guys posting and they will see nothing to worry about.

Isnt there a tower called Rabbit Ears up by Cobra and Nonwall, you could get Neri up there....

quote: Originally posted by jblakley: guys, no offense but I don't think it serves any purpose to argue on the bulletin board. You have access to each others mailboxes why not keep it there? Cause some of us like to watch fights! Welcome to The SprayCage!

quote: Originally posted by mattp: If you want a recent public example of traditional routes that have been controversial, look at Vantage. Some people have suggested that those chossy cracks should not be subject to having the loose rock removed. Some of those involved in the local climbers association may argue that it is not the routes, but the route setter, but there are other examples of crack cleaning drawing fire. At Leavenworth, for example, there have been periodic arguments that a crack which in its natural state is filled with dirt and moss should not be subject to route development. My guess is that the great Outer Space route was filled with grass on the first ascent but here I digress. The point is that there are valid arguments in support of and against the abstract statement that cracks which may contain soil and living matter should be left alone, but a debate of this issue could easily degenerate to name-calling and threats, which behavior could have a broader affect beyond simply angering or intimidating the immediate participants. The maintenance of trails serving various climbing areas is another activity that has at times become controversial. It is not only the crazed and irresponsible bolter who feels that public discussion of their activity may be something they would rather avoid. Based on Squamish experience, and from what I see of Leavenworth too, if a route is cleaned but does not become popular it only takes 5 years to fill back in with dirt and moss to its original state -like Dog Dome and Slug Rock. As was recently observed by Anders Ourom "When it comes to trees and climbers at Squamish, the trees are winning." As for cleaning loose rock at Vantage - the whole place is loose, some of those routes you could start cleaning and you'd never stop It all depends if the FA wants people to repeat the route or not. By the "route setter not the route" do you mean the crazy guy who climbs in a white suit covered in spray painted graffiti and talks about rape and carnage all the time? I heard some scary stories from some friends of mine who met that guy. I was lucky enough not to on my one visit there. Whew!

Girls, girls, kiss and make up! (sorry to those girls offended by my use of this term to describe Lambbond and Capt.) Man when I worked in a gym- anybody ragged on my gym - I agreed with them! What the hell, how can you expect quality employees when you pay minimum wage and hire people who have only been climbing for 4 months... you get whatcha pay for. My favorite part of working was watching the part owner trying to pick up the 14 year old belay girl employees. (the other part owner and junior team coach had just married the 17 year old junior girls Canadian champion...) Dayz of the Week yeah! They should make a daytime (spraytime?) soap about a climbing gym.

Then again it could have been walt shipley.

Oh yeah, purely traditional lines, I can see the fur thats gonna fly if those are reported all right, people are gonna run out and make a statement by rap bolting them.... NOT! I still confess I don't understand if the routes are "not controversial" then why are they gonna generate combative posting? Unless you describe the routes in more detail I am never gonna clue in either I guess.