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But there certainly was not any personal attacks there. There were some harsh criticism of the NPS and their policies. But also, the OP (Val Zephyr ) and her party were a bunch of idiots, and were told that in the thread. Sounds like Ranger Kevork(ian) is kinda a cry baby. They are a public servant, and if that level of review of their job performance by the general public causes them that much personal consternation, maybe it's time for them to get off the Government titty, and get wit the private sector, where I'm sure they will find things much easier and the working conditions much friendlier to their thin skin

I think the bear knew too much, and they had to get rid of him to send a message to all the other forest creatures

I have reviewed this entire thread, and there is nothing that should hurt the tender feelings of any Ranger. Kevork must have been referring to this thread http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1030925/1 Where the OP was also taken to task for being an inpatient dolt. The comments in the above thread, and in this thread mostly illustrate the concerns and frustrations that some people have, at times justly so - and at times very unjustly so, with the rigid bureaucracy of the NPS as a whole, and NCNP in particular. I think many, if not all the posts here regarding the legacy project are based in a reading of the AALP proposal, life time experiences in the Cascades and life time knowledge of the North Cascades. There has been some minor speculation, such as Fairweather's posits on the potential for day use limits at Blue Lake. But nowhere here could I find anything that I would consider as gross misinformation or personal attacks. This is an inter-net discussion. People should realize that, and after almost 20 years of inter BB, it should be realized what level of decorum is norm. I have seen nothing bad on this thread

Do not drop the soap when you're in the shower with a bear

Too bad it's a head shot. That would be an ideal starter for a masticated Euro mount

I've been back there a number of times, chiefly to Barron and Chancellor. I have never made it to Azurite, and am probably too late, given that the remediation project currently underway will result in wholesale changes to the adventuresome and historical aspects of the area. Azurite, along with the work at Monte Cristo and Alder has led some to question the cleanup of small sites which may not have very serious problems, while far larger sites continue to languish. As far as the effects of NP status on the mining, I believe that is a huge subject, with no clear answer. Much of the present mining is placer operations on claimed land. I don't know if these claims can be unilaterally ended by the US government, if the claimer's continue to follow the rules required of them. In any event, the areas where they are working is not suitable for Wilderness following the (vague) 1964 definition, and I don't begrudge these generally hobbyists miners their pleasure. The future of large scale commercial mining seems bleak, not only because of lack of large scale mineralization, but also because of environmental and safety requirements, and the cost of American labor. But a crystal ball is needed to really give an answer I was speaking about this facetiously You may want to double check some thing here, GPWA was created in 1964, so it would pre-date the NCNP. Was there actually ever a real proposal to include the Glacier Peak area into NCNP, and to roll back Wilderness protection as part of this inclusion? I would actually tend to think that there was never any real thought to ending the GPWA, especially only four years after it's creation. In any event, the creation of Wilderness inside NCNP by (?) 1970 made the whole worry obsolete. Feck can consult a expert on this history It comes down to a question of management versus protection. In Wilderness, you get a huge degree of protection, often with little obtrusive management (areas such as the Enchantments excepted). The NPS is management heavy. Some level of additional protection is warranted, but I worry about the NPS and their love of rules and regs. Since much of the area may not be suitable for Wilderness, could a designation such as "National Scenic Area", managed by the USFS afford the reasonable amount of protection, while allowing climbing, hiking, hunting and a modicum of hobby mining to continue?

Although it seems that development is unlikely, the "Headwaters of the Skagit" area contains the mining areas (or portions of) Harts Pass, Barron, Slate Creek, Chancellor and the Azurite Mine area. In fact, the Azurite Mine is undergoing a large scale Superfund cleanup. For more information on the mining history of this area, please read "Discovering Washington's Historic Mines, Volume 3" by Northwest Underground Explorations, Phil Woodhouse, Daryl Jacobson and Victor Pisoni I agree with the premise of this question. I also wonder that since this is a "legacy" project, based on portions of the initial NCNP proposals, what about the proposed visitor center at Cascade Pass which was to be serviced by a tram?

This ones for Fairweather: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016356020_rainier02m.html The Times has a front page investigation of former Mount Rainier National Park Superintendent Dave Uberuaga and his business relationship with Peter Whittaker and RMI. What it boils down to is that Uberuaga did not recuse himself from his substantial role in the review of climbing guide concessions in MRNP, even though he had sold his house to Peter Whittaker for what the Times refers to as a inflated price. Uberuaga did a very poor job in his disclosure of this sale to NP investigators. The Times quotes (probably at this point fiercely hated) competing guide service owner Eric Simonson: While I am not as seemingly alarmed as Fairweather, how Uberuaga handled all this is disconcerting. But much of this is due to the close proximity that NP staff and concessionaires live, and the length of time that Uberuaga has worked at MRNP (since 1984). While the price Whittaker paid for the house is much higher than it's assessed value, $465 K for 2+ acres along a highway into a park is not extreme, especially since we don't know the present zoning of the property, and it is across the street from Whittaker's Rainier Base Camp. The former Uberuaga property could be residential, with Whittaker basing his price on it's commercial value. The property could also be worth much more to Whittaker than any other buyer. This type of action is why you will probably see NP management scale employees move around much more, to prevent inevitable chumminess FW, I wait for your views

Presently there are no limits to day trips in MRNP, NCNP, Grand Teton or ONP. The closest Natioal Park where day use limits are enforced is Yosemite and Half Dome

Core drills are difficult to use, even in the smaller sizes, without a rigid fixture, pilot drill or hole-centering jig

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110925/OPINION03/709259983 Many effects onto hikers, climbers and skiiers. Inclusion of the Liberty Bell massif and Golden Horn into the NP regulation mire?

No protocol. Hand drill only.

Ginsu on 4 O'Clock

4c. Will labor be comprised of Merit Shops? 5b is the most likely. Suppliers would also be very reticent to donate such items as wire rope with the applicable cert's Also: Will Special Inspections be required? It is nigh to impossible to expect to receive any type of deal on these services Will an architect's services also be required?

From the USGS: http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1998/ofr-98-239/ofr-98-239.html "The Bainbridge Island landslide at Rolling Bay Walk is about three houses north of one that was pushed off its foundation on April 23, 1996 (#20, plate1.html; fig. 2). The landslide scar, deposits, and overturned house were still intact at the time of our observations, except for the disturbance caused by recovery operations. The scar of the slide was about 15 m wide, 15-20 m high, and averages 1 m deep. News reports indicated that the owner had built a retaining wall of unknown quality and design (Maier, 1997; Crist, 1997). Newspapers and a local resident indicated that the landslide happened shortly before 8:00 a.m., Sunday, January 19, 1997 (Maier 1997). A neighbor stated that the landslide lasted only a few seconds (Bjorhus and Tu, 1997). The row of houses appear to be constructed in a cut at the base of a steep bluff that rises from a narrow beach area. We observed scars of many old landslides on the bluff to the north of the houses. About five recent slides from 1996 and 1997 storms were visible along undeveloped bluffs not far north of the houses. More slides occurred at Rolling Bay Walk on March 18 and 19, 1997; these slides damaged two houses and pushed another house onto the beach (Wallace, 1997). The Oregonian: http://geography.uoregon.edu/mcdowell/geog322/newspaper_stories/seattle_area_mudslide_kills_family.htm The Seattle Times: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970120&slug=2519698 "The force of the slide flattened recently built retaining walls on the slope, officials said, pushing the house off its foundation and across a concrete walkway along the shore called Rolling Bay Walk. The two bottom floors of the house were buried in mud 8-feet deep in spots. Only the unfinished top floor of the house, which toppled on its side into the water, was visible." My humble apologies. It is just sometimes people make claims which are based on things they heard, which are exagerated. You are correct about the fatal mass wastage event. Again, I apologize BTW, please explain the apple thing

I call bullshit on this one. Unless DPS has a source, I think this is a grossly exaggerated urban myth. It is probably a synthesis of a real life structural failure during a suburban mass wasting event, and the avalanche deaths of the entire Eggers family at their Yodelin cabin in 1970

I'll cut to the chase, that's sub-retard level idiocy

Matt, After visiting www.treehouses.com , I suggest that you either hire a PE or SE to design your bridge, or devise another means of access. You are incapable of designing this structure yourself. In 2008, a suspension bridge at the Treehouse Hotel failed, pitching a family from Kirkland off and to the ground. Because the owner is a scum sucking asshole who designed the bridge himself, has no permits or building inspections, Josephine County ended up party to the suit because they allowed continued use of these non-inspected structures. So now the tax payers need to pony up $1.2 million. I don't know what fiduciary responsibility Mr Treehouse was held to. But now Josephine County is shutting him down, and he is aghast at the county for doing so. Which is reasonable, because his fuck ups have only cost the county $1.2 million, he should be allowed to continue until he costs them another $1.2 M. This shows how serious engineering and construction mistakes can be. And if this family had been 80' in the air, instead of at a more modest height, they would all be dead

I would think that the engineering challenges and legal responsibilities of building a bridge, suspension or otherwise, 100' long and 80' high for use by humans requires the assistance of a professional. I don't believe the OP would suggest that individuals get the answers to difficult legal questions with severe ramifications off a board like CC. Likewise, failure of this bridge would have huge consequences. There are big differences between building a ropes course and a suspension bridge. Ropes courses are of short duration, and generally offer a belay or other secondary safety device. The scale of this project is what makes everything so daunting

I've had severe and probably life threatening AMS, and I could see how it could manifest itself as shock, or appear to be shock

The Old Index Tavern

I would guess that the Ranger in the field felt that individuals who feign ignorance at the borders of NCNP and who impatiently leave the Ranger Station because they don't like waiting in line, are not worthy of any favors by officialdom. That is totally correct. The office staff should have excused themselves from a protracted conversation with gapers, and the OP should have butted into the conversation The only difficulty I have ever had with NCNP staff was when they would not issue me a permit for Bear Mt from Sedro ( or possibly Marblemount), and made us drive all the way to Glacier. When they realized we were going to approach through the Chilliwack Valley, and BC, they were apologetic over the misunderstanding and stated that if they had understood we were going to enter from Canada, they would have issued a permit over the phone from Sedro

Grizzlies must climb slow

From the comments section of KOIN, regarding this rescue

Pretty doubtful that the bolt in question is a FA bolt. Did City Park even have a second pitch, or is that really Godzilla, FA Harder and Heller. Hopefully Still Crankin' reads this, and lets us know