Steigerman Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I have a chance to buy a new pair of x-15's (they are acouple of years old) with bent grips for $170. My question, is this a decent price. I don't do much ice but hoping to do more and not having to borrow tools would be nice. Any info greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 If you don't I might. They seem like nice tools. Depends on what kind of ice you're doing. Under $200 for any pair of ice tools is probably a good deal. Although you can get a pair of DMM Flys out of Canada for about US$250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I've read some reviews in old catalogs and magazines, and they seem to be a good beginner/alpine tool. Depends on how much ice you will climb, and how steep that same ice will be. In my book, new tools for $85 each is a good deal. If you like Grivel, you might be able to find Rambo IIs or Geronimos for $100 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarred_Jackman Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I just bought an X-15 a month ago and I like it. Of course you can't change out the hammer or adze, but if you're just starting out chances are you won't break either of them doing some heinous move or something. I don't know how often a person could break those features anyhow. They're a little lighter than the Black Prophets, good buy I would say, not AMAZING, but a good buy, they're definitely solid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainier_Wolfscastle Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Good: Sturdy, accepts all current BD picks Bad: Really heavy tool. They may fry your shoulders/arms on long/steep terrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin_B Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I don't know about the x-15s but I've heard good things about the BD Shrikes, mainly that they are light and cheap. You can find them for ~$100 here and other tools for cheap here. I know lots of you don't like to buy online and would rather support a small local shop, but climbing is expensive and you gotta save where you can.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I think that's a little spendy for x-15 tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 X-15's are decent tools for moderate cllimbing, but you could probably talk them down to at least 150. I sold a pair of Shreiks for 200$ with leashes and brand new picks. Â There are better deals out there. Keep an eye on ebay, lot's of tools there lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Poster: Rainier_Wolfscastle Subject: Re: Black diamond x-15 Â Good: Sturdy, accepts all current BD picks Bad: Really heavy tool. They may fry your shoulders/arms on long/steep terrain. Â That only applies to the older X-15's (black rubber coated shaft) The newer X-15's are almost identical to the current Shrikes - and about as light. If your looking to buy a tool in the next month or so, they're definitely worth the money. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryland_moore Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I picked up a pir of new x-15's for $150 two years ago. They are a bit heavy, but are fine for the ice climbing I've been on. I've led up to WI 4 with them and had no problems whatsoever(that was until I picked up my friends lighter tools!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainier_Wolfscastle Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 The X-15's I am talking about are Orange with black rubber handles. They look like these . They are heavy as shit. About 4-5 years old. I thought the newer all rubber ones were black prophets? I've owned the BP's and they are alot lighter than these beasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 The original x-15's from the early 90's were coated in all black rubber. They are not the same as the Black Prophets. I believe the construction in the shaft, and the head is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 The original x-15's from the early 90's were coated in all black rubber. They are not the same as the Black Prophets. I believe the construction in the shaft, and the head is different. Â Yup - the shaft was aluminum coated with black rubber, the head was forged with non-replaceable hammer & adze, and the spike was a simpler design than the Black Prophet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 The original x-15's from the early 90's were coated in all black rubber. They are not the same as the Black Prophets. I believe the construction in the shaft, and the head is different.  the original X-15's were actually mfg'd by Chouinard just prior to the employee buyout. These units as well as the first BD X-15's had absolutely no "bonded rubber" on the shafts. The shaft material was the same carbon fiber/aluminum composite used in the Chouinard Zero-X and the older blue handled north wall hammers and axes. A year or two after the buyout came the BRS models (bonded rubber shaft). When BD introduced the Black Prophet they also gave the X-15 a face lift and went away from the original carbon fiber/aluminum composite shaft to a less expensive aluminum shaft with only rubber grip. The carbon fiber/aluminum was reserved for the BP. These were produced first with red paint and than orange paint ... enter the Shrikes  I'd say for the price, if they are indeed new and unused it's not to bad of a deal ... I am sure if you wanted to spend more time shopping the various sorces suggested you might save a few bucks ... I'd say the big advantage is, as mentioned above, you can still get replacement picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Parker Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 (edited) I have the older BRS (bonded rubber shaft) X-15's straight shaft and used these for waterfall climbing for many years. They take all the picks you can get that fit prophets and anything BD put out since. I finally replaced them with Cobras 2 years ago. I put my Alaska picks back on them and they are my alpine tools of choice (straight shaft better) over my Cobras. BTW, they only weigh one ounce more! I think $75 each is a reasonable price, but no more. If any one runs into a 50 cm BRS straight shaft X-15 adze or hammer, let me know. I want another one. My original waterfall tools were the original X-15's mentioned above. The pick is different. I use one of those alot too with a regular classic pick. I guess I'm a BD man. I like having a quiver so I don't have to change picks! Edited January 23, 2003 by David_Parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 ...and I thought I was a tech wennie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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