Plus ça change...

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

plus c'est la même from the practitioners of the religion of peace...

[ivan]

i have amazing confidence in the ability of the french people to absorb this most recent round of madness n' keep trucking on

 

france has withstood onslaughts of saracens since at least the battle of tours - they'll get through this too

 

what species of fanatic hasn't found fault w/ fair france at some point over the past 10 centuries? she's seen them all into the ground.

[glassgowkiss]

plus c'est la même from the practitioners of the religion of peace...

 

You are just an asshole, with ZERO respect for others.

[glassgowkiss]

Some background on the issue:

Read

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

It's cute how assholekisser follows me around, tugging at my leg, trying to get some attention.

 

 

[CWC01]

The success of the left's open immigration policy.

[ivan]

random chance, but this coming week is the near 1000th anniversary of the west proclaiming it's intent to create a christian-caliphate in syria and the surrounding environs - funny how things don't much change...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Clermont

[Choada_Boy]

Time for a pogrom. Annihilate...

 

...ISIS/ISIL that is, to be clear.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Choada_Boy

[ivan]

'cuz pogroms have such a stellar rep, amirite?

 

as much faith as i have in paris' resilience, so too i have faith in religious lunatics ability to persevere in the face of persecution

[KaskadskyjKozak]

i have faith in religious lunatics ability to persevere in the face of persecution

 

nice redefinition of persecution Ivan.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2015 by KaskadskyjKozak

[tvashtarkatena]

Someone's clearly going to have to take their shiny new caliphate away from them, and that's going to require lots of ground forces. The US might as well start gearing up - coalitions or no, its going to fall to us eventually. There's no getting around this one. ISIS is a doomsday cult with a billion dollar bank account. Its gotta go. Preferably sooner than later.

 

Plus, the US bears significant responsibilty for creating the fertile, destabilized ground ISIS needed to make this magic happen, so therez that.

 

 

In the interim, the US should step up its support, in the fullest sense, of the Kurds - the only group whose been willing to really challenge these jaggoffs.

 

No caliphate, no ISIS. We'll still have Al Qaeda et al (who is nearly at war with ISIS themselves), but it'll be a while before Islamicists attempt this level of bullshit to promote their cult brand, if for no other reason than the most raging assholes among them will be deader than fuck.

 

And while all this plinking is going on, the US would do well to take a long, hard, unsympathetic look at cult extremism and the cruelty it inflicts in our own country. ISIS end times doctrine doesnt look a whole lot different than the fervant beliefs of tens of millions of evangelicals right here at home. In fact, ISIS even believes that Jesus Himself lead Islam to victory in its final epiq battle against the forces of evil.

 

Hallelujah, indeed.

[tvashtarkatena]

when invited to a holy war, bring the holes.

[tvashtarkatena]

ISIS should serve as a stark reminder to certain chicken hawks here that stupid wars started by stupid people from a stupid party with a stupid philosophy cause shitstorms like this. It wont (too stupid for analytical, data driven, deep principled thinking), but it should.

 

The end game should always be peace. I suppose if your own life is severely broken you may wish others to share your misery by believing otherwise, but thats just stupid, really.

[CWC01]

Someone doesn't pay attention...Iraq asked the US to leave once they had a functional (corrupt) government. Syrian civil war sprang from the much lauded Arab-Spring. Obama effectively snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A little bit of leadership could have prevented all of this but we have an executive branch that is only interested in itself and polling numbers. Hell, our own secretary of state couldn't tell the truth about what was and what wasn't a terrorist attack. No, the left isn't exactly known for its international policy strength...you get to own it now. Nice try.

 

Lets talk about stoopid parties; unrestrained immigration for the "feelz" brought this bombing to the socialist's utopia. Good job!

 

 

[glassgowkiss]

plus c'est la même from the practitioners of the religion of peace...

 

And your favorite KKK is a true representation of christian values and christian religions?

[glassgowkiss]

Someone doesn't pay attention...Iraq asked the US to leave once they had a functional (corrupt) government. Syrian civil war sprang from the much lauded Arab-Spring. Obama effectively snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A little bit of leadership could have prevented all of this but we have an executive branch that is only interested in itself and polling numbers. Hell, our own secretary of state couldn't tell the truth about what was and what wasn't a terrorist attack. No, the left isn't exactly known for its international policy strength...you get to own it now. Nice try.

 

Lets talk about stoopid parties; unrestrained immigration for the "feelz" brought this bombing to the socialist's utopia. Good job!

 

 

Well, it's obvious you know two things about the area- jack and shit. You really do not know any facts, nor the history and how things unfolded. Brainwashed by faux "news"?

Here are some quotes to straighten a pile of lies you just wrote:

"A December 13, 2006 cable, "Influencing the SARG [syrian government] in the End of 2006,"1 indicates that, as far back as 2006 - five years before "Arab Spring" protests in Syria - destabilizing the Syrian government was a central motivation of US policy. The author of the cable was William Roebuck, at the time chargé d'affaires at the US embassy in Damascus. The cable outlines strategies for destabilizing the Syrian government. In his summary of the cable, Roebuck wrote:

 

We believe Bashar's weaknesses are in how he chooses to react to looming issues, both perceived and real, such as the conflict between economic reform steps (however limited) and entrenched, corrupt forces, the Kurdish question, and the potential threat to the regime from the increasing presence of transiting Islamist extremists. This cable summarizes our assessment of these vulnerabilities and suggests that there may be actions, statements, and signals that the USG can send that will improve the likelihood of such opportunities arising."

 

Here some other facts:

"In public the US was in favor of economic reform, but in private the US saw conflict between economic reform and "entrenched, corrupt forces" as an "opportunity." In public, the US was opposed to "Islamist extremists" everywhere; but in private it saw the "potential threat to the regime from the increasing presence of transiting Islamist extremists" as an "opportunity" that the US should take action to try to increase."

 

Here is another US cable:

This cable summarizes a March 15 meeting including then US counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan and US ambassador to Saudi Arabia Ford Fraker with Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz al-Saud, the head of Saudi Arabia's external intelligence agency. Ambassador Fraker's summary recounted:

 

7. © PERSIAN MEDDLING: Prince Muqrin described Iran as "all over the place now." The "Shiite crescent is becoming a full moon," encompassing Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain, Kuwait and

Yemen among Iran's targets. In the Kingdom, he said "we have problems in Medina and Eastern Province." When asked if he saw Iran's hand in last month's Medina Riots (reftels), he strongly affirmed his belief that they were "definitely" Iranian supported. (Comment: Muqrin's view was not necessarily supported by post's Saudi Shi'a shia sources.) Muqrin bluntly stated "Iran is becoming a pain in the ..." and he expressed hope the President "can get them straight, or straighten them out."

 

You realize that during 2006 Bush was the president, right? So wtf are you even talking about?

[glassgowkiss]

Lets talk about stoopid parties; unrestrained immigration for the "feelz" brought this bombing to the socialist's utopia. Good job!

 

You realize these were people born and raised in France, right? Your logic would be on parr with blaming English or Irish for McVeigh or Nichols bombing in Oklahoma. Shit, they were Christians too.

[glassgowkiss]

.

 

No caliphate, no ISIS. We'll still have Al Qaeda et al (who is nearly at war with ISIS themselves), but it'll be a while before Islamicists attempt this level of bullshit to promote their cult brand, if for no other reason than the most raging assholes among them will be deader than fuck.

 

/quote]

 

That is not true. ISIS is not at war with Al Qaeda.

Here is a very comprehensive explanation about the relationship, between the two:

Read

 

[CWC01]

Someone doesn't pay attention...Iraq asked the US to leave once they had a functional (corrupt) government. Syrian civil war sprang from the much lauded Arab-Spring. Obama effectively snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A little bit of leadership could have prevented all of this but we have an executive branch that is only interested in itself and polling numbers. Hell, our own secretary of state couldn't tell the truth about what was and what wasn't a terrorist attack. No, the left isn't exactly known for its international policy strength...you get to own it now. Nice try.

 

Lets talk about stoopid parties; unrestrained immigration for the "feelz" brought this bombing to the socialist's utopia. Good job!

 

 

Well, it's obvious you know two things about the area- jack and shit. You really do not know any facts, nor the history and how things unfolded. Brainwashed by faux "news"?

Here are some quotes to straighten a pile of lies you just wrote:

"A December 13, 2006 cable, "Influencing the SARG [syrian government] in the End of 2006,"1 indicates that, as far back as 2006 - five years before "Arab Spring" protests in Syria - destabilizing the Syrian government was a central motivation of US policy. The author of the cable was William Roebuck, at the time chargé d'affaires at the US embassy in Damascus. The cable outlines strategies for destabilizing the Syrian government. In his summary of the cable, Roebuck wrote:

 

We believe Bashar's weaknesses are in how he chooses to react to looming issues, both perceived and real, such as the conflict between economic reform steps (however limited) and entrenched, corrupt forces, the Kurdish question, and the potential threat to the regime from the increasing presence of transiting Islamist extremists. This cable summarizes our assessment of these vulnerabilities and suggests that there may be actions, statements, and signals that the USG can send that will improve the likelihood of such opportunities arising."

 

Here some other facts:

"In public the US was in favor of economic reform, but in private the US saw conflict between economic reform and "entrenched, corrupt forces" as an "opportunity." In public, the US was opposed to "Islamist extremists" everywhere; but in private it saw the "potential threat to the regime from the increasing presence of transiting Islamist extremists" as an "opportunity" that the US should take action to try to increase."

 

Here is another US cable:

This cable summarizes a March 15 meeting including then US counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan and US ambassador to Saudi Arabia Ford Fraker with Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz al-Saud, the head of Saudi Arabia's external intelligence agency. Ambassador Fraker's summary recounted:

 

7. © PERSIAN MEDDLING: Prince Muqrin described Iran as "all over the place now." The "Shiite crescent is becoming a full moon," encompassing Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain, Kuwait and

Yemen among Iran's targets. In the Kingdom, he said "we have problems in Medina and Eastern Province." When asked if he saw Iran's hand in last month's Medina Riots (reftels), he strongly affirmed his belief that they were "definitely" Iranian supported. (Comment: Muqrin's view was not necessarily supported by post's Saudi Shi'a shia sources.) Muqrin bluntly stated "Iran is becoming a pain in the ..." and he expressed hope the President "can get them straight, or straighten them out."

 

You realize that during 2006 Bush was the president, right? So wtf are you even talking about?

 

The funny part is you're serious.

[ivan]

i have faith in religious lunatics ability to persevere in the face of persecution

 

nice redefinition of persecution Ivan.

 

 

 

how so? to be sure i went for a word w/ proper alliteration - perhaps you feel persecution always infers the persecuted is innocent?

 

swap in prosecution if you prefer

[glassgowkiss]

The funny part is you're serious.

 

There is nothing funny about people dying, asshole. I have several family members living in Paris. But people like you are part of the problem, not the solution. Not only you lack education, but you lack basic manners and respect.

[ivan]

Someone doesn't pay attention...Iraq asked the US to leave once they had a functional (corrupt) government. Syrian civil war sprang from the much lauded Arab-Spring. Obama effectively snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. A little bit of leadership could have prevented all of this but we have an executive branch that is only interested in itself and polling numbers. Hell, our own secretary of state couldn't tell the truth about what was and what wasn't a terrorist attack. No, the left isn't exactly known for its international policy strength...you get to own it now. Nice try.

 

Lets talk about stoopid parties; unrestrained immigration for the "feelz" brought this bombing to the socialist's utopia. Good job!

 

smacks of the nazi "stabbed in the back" propaganda

 

obama prominently campaigned on leaving iraq and won overwhelmingly - the democratic sentiment of the nation, which you are free to dislike, clearly was we needed to get the fuck out of that shitty little sandbox

 

as i'm sure you know, the iraqis demanded the right to try american soldiers in their own courts if we stayed any longer - i doubt you would have stomached that - yet to have ignored this understandable demand, which americans themselves made in the wake of the boston massacre, and for good reason, would have branded us a nation of hypocrites - again, that might be fine for you, but most of us don't dig on that

 

the left has no international policy strength? i wasn't aware that either side was characterized by anything other than incompetence in that regard, but that said, wasn't the greatest war in human history, a war that demanded a high degree of alliance-building and managing, fought and won by a leftist president? half the presidents of the cold war too were lefties, yet somehow the house didn't burn down? in hindsight, lefty clinton's take on iraq was a good deal better than bush's too.

[tvashtarkatena]

Welcome to reruns of 'we coulda won if they'd let us!' rhetoric of the post Viet Nam era - a typical and very human fairly to accept the failed ideologies, incompetence, and corruption that went into the making of that both debacles in strikingly similar ways.

 

The stark difference, of course, is that our Viet Nam II took place in a hot oil drum of Islamic discontent with the world, not a tiny strip of Buddhist rice paddies. We provided the perfect flaming dip stick is all.

 

This latest Viet Nam has already proven infinitely more expensive than the first, and there's no end in sight. Iraqi Freedom has already proven to be the worst foreign policy blunder in our history.

 

Mission accomplished.

 

Now we must wage an third war that will undoubtedly bring many more horrors to contain this new cult of ultra violence. We have no other choices left. The stumblefucking blowhards who were responsible for this from our side should by drawn, quartered, and shat upon by the families of the fallen from all sides.

 

 

[CWC01]

The funny part is you're serious.

 

There is nothing funny about people dying, asshole. I have several family members living in Paris. But people like you are part of the problem, not the solution. Not only you lack education, but you lack basic manners and respect.

 

Hurt feelings and sanctimony, I'll try to keep that in mind the next time I see your insults.

[CWC01]

Welcome to reruns of 'we coulda won if they'd let us!' rhetoric of the post Viet Nam era - a typical and very human fairly to accept the failed ideologies, incompetence, and corruption that went into the making of that both debacles in strikingly similar ways.

 

The stark difference, of course, is that our Viet Nam II took place in a hot oil drum of Islamic discontent with the world, not a tiny strip of Buddhist rice paddies. We provided the perfect flaming dip stick is all.

 

This latest Viet Nam has already proven infinitely more expensive than the first, and there's no end in sight. Iraqi Freedom has already proven to be the worst foreign policy blunder in our history.

 

Mission accomplished.

 

Now we must wage an third war that will undoubtedly bring many more horrors to contain this new cult of ultra violence. We have no other choices left. The stumblefucking blowhards who were responsible for this from our side should by drawn, quartered, and shat upon by the families of the fallen from all sides.

 

 

Deflecting. Doesn't matter how the war started or for what reason. The left occupies the throne and is responsible for the decisions made under its control. You want to take credit for success so you also get to take credit for failure. Obama's foreign policy is as big an abject failure as Bush's. We should never have gone into Iraq but we did. For better or worse the crazies were under wraps until the power vacuum caused by Obama's abrupt exit.

 

Obama doesn't lead he just reacts and this is what happens when your entire foreign policy is reacting.