layton Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 BD pins ARE camp pins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COL._Von_Spanker Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 So they are twice the cost because they say BD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Jeez, man, it's 2003. In case you hadn't noticed, some cats by the name of Chouinard and Robbins came up with these passive chock thingies that can be used instead of pitons, so you don't beat the shit out of the rock. "Hammerless protection," they call it. It's only been around for the past 30 years or so, though, so it's understandable that you may have missed hearing about it. Yes, friend, you need to step into the present and learn all about Chock craft, and leave those damaging old pitons in the garage. Â It's moron's like this above that don't know there's still some use for pins. Â I'd say to get around - Â 3 knifeblades 2 angles 2 lost arrows (whatever a bugaboo is I'm sure it's a variation on one of the above cuz I've never seemed to knowingly use it\need it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 So they are twice the cost because they say BD? Â They are manufactured in the same spot from my understanding. Yes double the cost or whatever it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Looks like someone needs to re-read their 'What is Sarcasm, and How Do I Spot It?' handbook! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 BTW, a Z piton is pretty useful, too. Pika knocked off Leeper's design, and offers them for sale. Leeper offers them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 A bugaboo is just a long knifeblade, ray (or anyone else wondering but scared to ask). I think they were called that cause when Yosemite climbers went to the Bugs for the first time they realized the cracks tended to be deeper (alpine freeze thaw & all) so they could get a longer blade into a knifeblade crack than they could in the Valley? Anyone know the truth of this? Â Bugabbos also make good eating utensils and hotknives, aside from climbing pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 bugaboo is a little thicker than a knifeblade. otherwise, no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 depends on the size fc. a short-thick kb is thicker than a long-thin bugaboo, i believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted January 19, 2003 Author Share Posted January 19, 2003 I bought one #3 bugaboo and it doesn't come to a knife edge. The tip is about 1/8 of an inch or so. I don't know about the other sizes. I think that all knife blades are sharp and made to create their own crack from a seam, is this not so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 I guess Im gonna have to look at my pins again, all my bugaboos tapered to knife edges, I thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 A bugaboo is just a long knifeblade  They are also a bit thicker than a knifeblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Looks like someone needs to re-read their 'What is Sarcasm, and How Do I Spot It?' handbook! Â Nope just a good opportunity to slam an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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