MtnGoat Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 I think it's great the left thinks Bush is dumb. It means they make mistake after mistake in dealing with him, and he walks right over them and keeps on going while they rage in confusion, never quite figuring out the obvious. If they are right and Bush is so stupid, as they keep maintaining, what does being beat, and beat again, and beat a third time, by El Dubya Stupido, what does that make them? Oh, I forgot, all the selfish mean people are helping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 as far as Gore is concerned you are quite mistaken: http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V13/24/waldman-p.html Bush's problem is that his shortcomings are very 'graphic' which is the most important mode of conveying a message today. The press could not, not ask whether he was capable considering his poor media performance. And he never was challenged on substance anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 Goat got a ! He brings up an important point. Bush's job is to be Leader. That doesn't require brain surgery training, it requires leadership and communication skills. Ronald R was certainly no brainchild, and worked comparatively few hours, but beat his successor hands-down in leadership and communication skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 well that last post sounds like a comic book kid spouting off about his favorite superhero. Even supporters of the cabinet know that he isn't making the calls at Penn Ave. I refuse to call him cunning, by any stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 totally irrelevant. His being stupid or not is not going to change squat (well except to our image as a nation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 did you call our Prez a cunt, Iain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnGoat Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 "Even supporters of the cabinet know that he isn't making the calls at Penn Ave. I refuse to call him cunning, by any stretch. " Which supporters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 republicans I know, some I've heard on the radio, some I've read, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 8, 2003 Author Share Posted January 8, 2003 Goat - Don't let Iain bug you. I think he may be right as to foreign policy, at least, because Rumsfeld wrote the book on it many years ago -- before your hero GW even thought about politics. But that doesn't address the question of whether he is smart. I am beginning to think there is a method to his madness, and he may not be as stupid as he looks. But c'mon -- "nucular?" He reeks of stupidity. Did you hear Tony Blair when he was interviewed on NPR two months ago? The difference was stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnGoat Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 "Bush's problem is that his shortcomings are very 'graphic' which is the most important mode of conveying a message today." That may be true, but regardless of that he connects with a lot of folks who can look beyond a episode of nervous sentence mangling every so often, and see someone they trust, even if his opponents do not. In contrast, Gore didn't just slip up with words, he fabricated stories from whole cloth. My favorite was during one of the debates ( I think that's right) where he went on a name dropping tale about visiting a disaster area with some official or another, then it turned out he'd never done it, and I believe he'd never met that person either. That's not a slipup. "And he never was challenged on substance anyway. " Never is a pretty strong word, especially when I don't think it's true. He was challenged on his foreign policy experience, his states education and budgeting, the environment of Texas, his supposed lack of "gravitas", the liberal's new favorite 10 cent word for a week or two. God I got tired of hearing that word, as if listening to Gore's monotone patiently explaining how everyone needs his help meant he had it. Bush was critiqued up one side and down the other on his performance, ideas, family, policies for Texas, and all the rest, which is what one expects from a race for president. I think saying he was never challenged on substance is a dog that won't hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 (edited) MAttp: Several years ago I heard two "Seattle" climbers interviewed in NPR. One came across well spoken, articulate and so on the other in comparison seemed dull. I saw the same two climbers on TV and the difference was even more dramatic. The funny thing is that without any doubt if I was hanging by a thread and could use one of my lifelines to ask one of those two for advice, I would have without a moments hesitation called the one who appeared to be the dull one. Without regard to intellect I would assume that a politican like Blair would be a better speaker. Indeed the hard part about politicians is wading through their public masque. Edited January 8, 2003 by Peter_Puget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 Right on you old goat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 Shit guys, Clinton is brilliant, outstanding speaker, but look at the wanker behind the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnGoat Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 hey matt, takes more than that to bug me! I'm not going to claim Bush is a genius, because I don't think he is, few people are. But I don't think being the smartest man in the world is necessary to make good decisions. Picking good people to delegate to is every bit as important as any amount of brain power, because it shows good judgement. Gore and his supporters figure he's pretty smart, and yet he wasn't smart enough to not tell whoppers that could be easily checked on. And that doesn't take a brain surgeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 8, 2003 Author Share Posted January 8, 2003 (edited) Bush was critiqued up one side and down the other... What are you talking about, Goat? Perhaps during the election, but Mr. Bush has not been challenged by the press on anything since he has become president. They treat him with kid gloves. That was my point at the very beginning of this thread: the media is spewing Bush administration propoganda and the mainstream media of TV and newspapers are not presenting anything even remotely balanced. I think DFA's thesis may have some merit - that these media may be more centrist than rightist, but I did present some examples that I think show how the press has portrayed the "facts" with a conservative slant and nobody has presented similar examples of how the press may have portrayed anyting with a liberal slant. How is it - what stories can you point to - that gun control or tax matters have been misrepresented on national TV or in the newspaper? Edited January 8, 2003 by mattp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 Goddamn Goat. Two brilliant, articulate, short and sweet posts in a row. Can I buy you a beer? BTW, I fully agree with you on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 Up next: Trask breaks out the kneepads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 8, 2003 Author Share Posted January 8, 2003 By the way, I do agree with the discussion of Gore v. Bush, though I would still rather have had Gore as president and he DID win the election. Part of my problem with the pathetic democrats is that they couldn't or didn't make any issue of the fact that Bush's team so blatantly defeated democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 put a cork in it Mr. Farfromhung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 Jeez Matt, momma needs to get your script changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 What's that, Trask? Can't hear you with all that goat meat in your mouth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted January 8, 2003 Author Share Posted January 8, 2003 Jeez Matt, momma needs to get your script changed. I thought you might be proud of this, another example of how Bush is smarter than Gore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 I refuse to get into this shit with you DFA. I've come to the realization that you're the King of Smut. I concede. Gross away oh Grand Masterbater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 Look who's talking, Mr. "why don't you two get a room." Trask, you switch positions faster than a horny housewife at a swinger's convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 I am proud of you son, but your longing for Gore as Pres. worries me. Are you coming down with something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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