Obama and his Lying Issues

[prole]

Actually, you suggested single payer with a separate market for those who want to insure (and can afford to) outside the system. Sounds like "separate and unequal" to me.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say a separate market, maybe more like payday loan places for people who want to get the wrinkles taken out of their scrotums and the like. That wouldn't be covered under my new system.

[rob]

Isn't being angry all the time really bad for your health, FW?

[Fairweather]

Every time i hear you mention your new premium the amount gets higher and higher. Is it at $1000 yet or will that be next week?

 

Now you're just plain lying. Visit the site and see for yourself.

[Fairweather]

Isn't being angry all the time really bad for your health, FW?

 

Again, I'll ask; could you afford it? And would you be happy about it?

[rob]

Isn't being angry all the time really bad for your health, FW?

 

Again, I'll ask; could you afford it? And would you be happy about it?

 

Yes, I could afford it. And I have a private message from you telling me that you also can afford it. Yes, I would probably be pretty unhappy about it. But, I would not be surprised that going from no insurance to having insurance would cost some money. I know you like to go on and on about how you had insurance, but you really didn't. In fact, you'd probably be better off with nothing than what you had before.

 

Frankly, I don't believe your $900 figure. This is because I've heard you mention other numbers, and also because you're so irrationally angry about it that I just can't really trust what you say. I believe that you want this to fail. I believe that you're looking for problems and looking for reasons to be angry. I believe you're exaggerating things to make them sound as bad as possible. Also, I know plenty of people that are probably near your age that are paying far less

 

I don't know how much you make, and I don't know how old you are. But I know many, many people who have gotten insurance thanks to the ACA.

Edited December 3, 2013 by rob

[rob]

Every time i hear you mention your new premium the amount gets higher and higher. Is it at $1000 yet or will that be next week?

 

Now you're just plain lying. Visit the site and see for yourself.

 

Bronze level coverage for me and my two children is just under $500, with zero subsidy. Granted, I'm younger than you.

[Fairweather]

Wow, the lengths libs will go to to prop up their failures. Do I want the Obamacare to fail? Hell yes, I think it's bad for the country. Do I like the "old system"? No. Again, all you have to do is visit the site and plug in whatever you want--income, dependents, etc.--and you might get an accurate quote. The final quote I received was $75/mo higher than what the site originally said. Still, I don't recall ever sharing the price with you in a PM--which, by the way, would be confidential. (Hence, the name private message.) But then, I'd expect no less from a little lap dog like you.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Fairweather

[rob]

[AlpineK]

Daniel Boone was trapped at the Alamo and they made a TV show about him. Just think of all the royalties that you'd make from being trapped in Centralia.

 

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Well technically he wasn't at the Alamo but don't argue with street buzz

Edited December 3, 2013 by Feck

[Fairweather]

I'll just bet 'ole Daniel never fell off a ladder and cost his fellow frontiersmen $4 million in medical payouts.

[glassgowkiss]

wrong, it was in texas, which had tort reform, so you can't sue. somehow the insurance rates for m.d's in texas did not go down though.

[glassgowkiss]

FW, you still left my direct question unanswered: have you ever been anywhere outside of US/Canada, and if you have ever used medical services outside of of this country? All I want is yes or no answer.

[Fairweather]

Not sure how this is relevant at all, but yes, I've traveled throughout Mexico, Central, and South America and, of course, Canada. No, I've never had to use their medical systems in any manner. What's your point?

 

 

BTW, you now owe me a direct answer to a future question of my choosing.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Fairweather

[prole]

I'll just bet 'ole Daniel never fell off a ladder and cost his fellow frontiersmen $4 million in medical payouts.

 

Probably would've been charged a nominal fee, certainly not bankrupted.

 

He lived to be 86 years old, I'm not sure what kind of R&D intensive, highly advanced medical technology, cutting edge pharmaceuticals or profit seeking health care industry is responsible for his longevity.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Isn't being angry all the time really bad for your health, FW?

 

Ask GGK

[Fairweather]

Probably would've been charged a nominal fee, certainly not bankrupted.

 

He lived to be 86 years old, I'm not sure what kind of R&D intensive, highly advanced medical technology, cutting edge pharmaceuticals or profit seeking health care industry is responsible for his longevity.

 

True that. A big part of the problem is that we all think we're owed 80-90 years no matter the lifestyle we choose.

[rob]

 

True that. A big part of the problem is that we all think we're owed 80-90 years no matter the lifestyle we choose.

 

Really? Is that a big part of the problem? I guess other western nations don't have this belief, and this is why their health and health care is better? Interesting. I had no idea that this was such a significant cause of our antiquated health care system. You should write an article on this, I don't think people have identified this as such a large factor. I bet between this and malpractice reform there would be no problems at all!

[prole]

Probably would've been charged a nominal fee, certainly not bankrupted.

 

He lived to be 86 years old, I'm not sure what kind of R&D intensive, highly advanced medical technology, cutting edge pharmaceuticals or profit seeking health care industry is responsible for his longevity.

 

True that. A big part of the problem is that we all think we're owed 80-90 years no matter the lifestyle we choose.

 

Lifestyles aren't chosen, they're cultivated.

[prole]

Why are Americans at such a distinct comparative disadvantage in so many categories when it comes to making "good choices"?

[Fairweather]

 

True that. A big part of the problem is that we all think we're owed 80-90 years no matter the lifestyle we choose.

 

Really? Is that a big part of the problem? I guess other western nations don't have this belief, and this is why their health and health care is better? Interesting. I had no idea that this was such a significant cause of our antiquated health care system. You should write an article on this, I don't think people have identified this as such a large factor. I bet between this and malpractice reform there would be no problems at all!

 

I guess it'd be too much to ask a lap dog to stop yapping. I have no idea what you're trying to say--probably because you don't either. In any event, take a look at % of healthcare expenditures on persons in their last two years of life. Or, like prole said, big pharma's got a pill/treatment that might help you squeeze a few extra months outta that old abused carcass. But it's gonna cost you...

[AlpineK]

I'll just bet 'ole Daniel never fell off a ladder and cost his fellow frontiersmen $4 million in medical payouts.

 

Sorry to disappoint. Had private health insurance at the that time and maintain it to this day. Keeping my current plan at a $5/month cost savings next year is an option but there are others worth exploring.

[Fairweather]

Probably would've been charged a nominal fee, certainly not bankrupted.

 

He lived to be 86 years old, I'm not sure what kind of R&D intensive, highly advanced medical technology, cutting edge pharmaceuticals or profit seeking health care industry is responsible for his longevity.

 

True that. A big part of the problem is that we all think we're owed 80-90 years no matter the lifestyle we choose.

 

Lifestyles aren't chosen, they're cultivated.

 

I agree with this too--mostly.

[rob]

 

I guess it'd be too much to ask a lap dog to stop yapping. I have no idea what you're trying to say--probably because you don't either. In any event, take a look at % of healthcare expenditures on persons in their last two years of life. Or, like prole said, big pharma's got a pill/treatment that might help you squeeze a few extra months outta that old abused carcass. But it's gonna cost you...

 

WOW! This is probably completely unique to the U.S. and obviously a major cause of our outrageously expensive health care system.

 

Excellent point, as always!

[Fairweather]

 

I guess it'd be too much to ask a lap dog to stop yapping. I have no idea what you're trying to say--probably because you don't either. In any event, take a look at % of healthcare expenditures on persons in their last two years of life. Or, like prole said, big pharma's got a pill/treatment that might help you squeeze a few extra months outta that old abused carcass. But it's gonna cost you...

 

WOW! This is probably completely unique to the U.S. and obviously a major cause of our outrageously expensive health care system.

 

 

Quite frankly, it mostly is. You seriously disagree?

[rob]

 

In any event, take a look at % of healthcare expenditures on persons in their last two years of life. Or, like prole said, big pharma's got a pill/treatment that might help you squeeze a few extra months outta that old abused carcass. But it's gonna cost you...

 

WOW! This is probably completely unique to the U.S. and obviously a major cause of our outrageously expensive health care system.

 

 

Quite frankly, it mostly is. You seriously disagree?

 

Is this why countries like Bahrain and Slovenia have a higher life expectancy than us? Probably Europeans live longer because they don't want to, unlike us selfish americans who expect to live into their 80's. Makes sense to me! You've got some awesome ideas! You should consider becoming a writer.