Had Your Flu Shots Yet?

[Kimmo]

Plus, not only are they ineffective, but they're really bad for you too! Probably dangerous, in fact

 

They do seem to be rather ineffective (as current evidence suggests).

 

dangerous and bad for you? there are evidently questions regarding their safety, and without doubt there have been serious and deadly complications from them, but in some ways this seems moot to me, since the reason for getting this vaccination seems (probably) unnecessary in the first place.

[Kimmo]

If you have a diet rich in whole foods and natural nutrients, lots of sunshine and plenty of exercuse you probably won't get sick at all in the first place. It's no surprise cancers are up, modern medicine ignores the importance of lifestyle. People didn't used to get sick so often back in feudal times, even when poor, because they got so much fresh air and exercise. You never saw a fat serf.

 

you make some good points, rob.

 

it's fairly evident that those who eat healthy, exercise, and have a good lifestyle enjoy much better health than those who don't (including a much lower risk of cancer).

 

not sure about the "serfs", though. modern "serfs" here in america tend to be rather unhealthy, for a variety of reasons.

[rob]

I sure wish the FDA would be abolished, so that natural remedies for disease stop getting squashed. I bet people were not as sick as often before the FDA existed. I know, that probably seems unreasonable but sometimes I wonder. The medical industry certainly has a vested interest in making us sick. Remember when they tried to make vitamins prescription-only?

[Kimmo]

I sure wish the FDA would be abolished, so that natural remedies for disease stop getting squashed. I bet people were not as sick as often before the FDA existed. I know, that probably seems unreasonable but sometimes I wonder. The medical industry certainly has a vested interest in making us sick. Remember when they tried to make vitamins prescription-only?

 

what i've always appreciated about your contributions is the degree of sophistication you bring to the table. whether it's humor, or something else entirely.

[glassgowkiss]

If you are done sucking each other off in the public, let's return to our regularly scheduled program of bashing pharmaceuticals.

[Kimmo]

If you are done sucking each other off in the public, let's return to our regularly scheduled program of bashing pharmaceuticals.

 

sorry dude!

 

your sophistication is admirable also.

[rob]

I bet all of the harm big pharma has done over the years outweighs any of the good that has accidentally been done (if any? That's debatable I guess).

 

As much as I liked to make fun of Ron Paul, his promise to cut the FDA was probably almost good enough reason to have a Ron Paul administration.

[Kimmo]

that was a really good one.

 

you're really outdoing yourself now.

 

how about cars?

[Kimmo]

or bicycles?

[rob]

or bicycles?

 

I bet if everyone rode a bicycle instead of driving a car, we'd have half as many diseases

[glassgowkiss]

I bet all of the harm big pharma has done over the years outweighs any of the good that has accidentally been done (if any? That's debatable I guess).

 

As much as I liked to make fun of Ron Paul, his promise to cut the FDA was probably almost good enough reason to have a Ron Paul administration.

bs alert!!!!!!

[max]

I bet all of the harm big pharma has done over the years outweighs any of the good that has accidentally been done (if any? That's debatable I guess).

 

yeah, like getting rid of polio, having antibiotics for post-op infections, malaria drugs that save millions each year, antigen specific chemotherapy drugs, bio-engineered hormones and enzymes, the (in process) AIDS vaccines, heart drugs,.. hell, ibuprofen.... All these drugs sure have made us feel worse.

 

As a cancer survivor, I chalk my current health (11 years and counting, bitches!) up to three things: getting a "good cancer" with lots of medical history (Hodgkins lymphoma), an oncologist who cared and knew what the hell he was doing, and finally, getting highly studied chemo drugs specific to my DNA and incredibly sophisticated, bio-engineered white blood-cell stimulators that collectively kicked the shit out of my disease.

 

I'm sorry, but your conjecture here is absolute ass-spray.

[Kimmo]

max, you missed his sophisticated humor.

 

rob doesn't have much to say, so he picks at straw men under the guise of "humor".

[rob]

You are misinformed, sir, I am being 100% sincere. Anyone who knows me and my 100% commitment to chiropractic, for example, over modern medicine knows where my true beliefs lie (lay?).

[Kimmo]

rob is the little brother you didn't know you had.

[glassgowkiss]

Max, we also have 180K/year dying because of prescription drug related complications. Also remember, that some of the post-op infections are due to mutations caused by overprescription of anti-biotics. Things are not that simple as you state. In discussed case of influenza vaccines, there are other issues at hand. Like almost all hospitals and clinics require their staff to get them, or wear a mask. If you looked at the articles provided earlier, there is absolutely zero evidence in decreased risk of transmissions or decreased risks of mortality provided by this type of "preventive method". So why are people forced to subject themselves to potentially harmful and useless treatments? The answer is simple- just N1H1 vaccination cost public health 9 billion dollars. So it is big business, and we are not talking cancer therapies. As the matter of fact, there are shortages of some older cancer medication, anti-seizure meds, crap- even propofol is in short supply!- something EVERY Er and ICU uses several times a day. Why? it's not like they are not needed, but because margins are better when you produce Viagra or other designer drugs. So on one hand we have loonies like Rob, but also on the other hand we have a serious issue, which you seem not really grasp as well.

[Kimmo]

So on one hand we have loonies like Rob

 

i will not sit idly by while you talk to my little brother like that, you, you... polish person.

[glassgowkiss]

So on one hand we have loonies like Rob

 

i will not sit idly by while you talk to my little brother like that, you, you... polish person.

polish some taint......

[jon]

The last time I checked nobody makes you take any of the drugs that "big pharma" produces.

[max]

...but also on the other hand we have a serious issue, which you seem not really grasp as well.

 

Being as I didn't really speak to the original issue (I only spoke to the claim pharms have a had a net negative effect), I'm not sure how you're able to make a conclusion about what I grasp and don't grasp.

 

In fact, I'm not sure exactly what ya'll have been arguing about; sometimes it's hard to see the trees through the bullshit. But so maybe you can back up and make a more informed assessment of what I know:

 

1. I would agree pharms are big business and maybe a bit shady about it,

2. we do seem a bit focused on drugs as a cure for our ails,

3. I bet a lot of drugs out there have (significantly) bad side effects,

4. but I'm also one of those limp-dicked morons who trusts my doctor and 1000's of scientists over my own opinions. It seems to be working for me so far.

 

Dave

 

[glassgowkiss]

The last time I checked nobody makes you take any of the drugs that "big pharma" produces.

Contrary to your statement, this is no longer the case, even in B.C. Every hospital or clinic in WA and B.C requires you to get vaccinated agains influenza, or wear a mask. That includes staff, that doesn't have any contact with my patient (like my wife, who works as a UC). Mask makes it impractical for contacts with patients and is next to impossible to be used in conjunction with a phone receiver. So in reality people in these facilities have no choice, but get vaccinated. Your statement does not reflect the reality on the ground.

[tvashtarkatena]

Dear Big Pharma,

 

Thank you for citalopram,

 

xoxo,

 

T

[glassgowkiss]

3. I bet a lot of drugs out there have (significantly) bad side effects

 

Every medication has side effects. In some cases simply the benefits outweigh the risks, but even NSAID's (which includes iso-butyl-propanoic-phenolic acid) contains serious risks with use.

[tvashtarkatena]

PS A lot of your other products are bullshit, though.

[Kimmo]

The last time I checked nobody makes you take any of the drugs that "big pharma" produces.

 

average joe and joanna don't have the time/inclination to do the research. they do as their docs say.

 

and no, the docs themselves don't always/often/(ever?) have the time/inclination to do the research themselves. plus, i wonder what pressures the docs face to prescribe x y or z drug (i'm sure convenience plays a role).