KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 For me OBL's assassination was anticlimatic. Me too....especially since he died 10 years ago. Ivan - you still think "moron" is not a propos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimZam Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Kevin. Do you think this is Gorbachev in a turban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Embrace your own suck buddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Kevin. Do you think this is Gorbachev in a turban? Gorb...who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tvashtarkatena Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 So, the man who was the regional commander to Al Qaeda, We know that how, exactly? Or was he just a loudmouth we really didn't like? And therein lies the rub. That's precisely why due process exists...to keep those with all the guns from bullshitting us. It's not some high and mighty ideal, it's the cornerstone of who we are, with every day, nuts and bolts ramifications. Do I think this incident was exceptional? Yes. The end of civilization as we know it? No. Was the preacher a royal prick? It would seem so. (most, if not all, fundy preachers are, regardless of stripe). Am I starting to sound like Rumsfeld? Probably. Frankly, I don't believe in American exceptionalism, nor do I believe that our citizens should be afforded any different human rights than anyone else. People are people. Well, some are, anyway. OBL was just a wee bit of a different case, however. The comparison is, well, idiotic, really. Something about the home movies he made about himself and all that. And claiming responsibility for 911. You know, small stuff. This guy denied much of the wrongdoing our government has accused him of. Hmmm..... They guy was driving down a desert road with another tool in an SUV. Wow. Tough operation to pick him up. Sounds like it woulda required a whole division at least. Look, I know it's fashionable to wax hyperbolic in the military. It's fun. But come on. Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Kevin. Do you think this is Gorbachev in a turban? I wouldn't mind shooting that finger off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimZam Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Well they may have to revert back to the old fashion method. Get ready to be inserted AK. A virus has infected America's drone fleet, Wired's Noah Shachtman reports. It logs every keystroke operators type from their base in Creech Air Force Base in Nevada, but that hasn't halted their missions. Though the military hasn't found any incidents of the virus sending information to an outside source, they haven't been able to get rid of it. Shachtman explains: "We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back," says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. "We think it's benign. But we just don't know." Military network security specialists aren't sure whether the virus and its so-called "keylogger" payload were introduced intentionally or by accident; it may be a common piece of malware that just happened to make its way into these sensitive networks. The specialists don't know exactly how far the virus has spread. But they’re sure that the infection has hit both classified and unclassified machines at Creech. The U.S. has increasingly relied on drones to carry out the war on terror in Afghanistan in recent years. Al Qaeda YouTube preacher Anwar al-Awlaki was killed last month by a drone strike in Yemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhalteke Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So, the man who was the regional commander to Al Qaeda, We know that how, exactly? Or was he just a loudmouth we really didn't like? And therein lies the rub. That's precisely why due process exists...to keep those with all the guns from bullshitting us. It's not some high and mighty ideal, it's the cornerstone of who we are, with every day, nuts and bolts ramifications. Do I think this incident was exceptional? Yes. The end of civilization as we know it? No. Was the preacher a royal prick? It would seem so. (most, if not all, fundy preachers are, regardless of stripe). Am I starting to sound like Rumsfeld? Probably. Frankly, I don't believe in American exceptionalism, nor do I believe that our citizens should be afforded any different human rights than anyone else. People are people. Well, some are, anyway. OBL was just a wee bit of a different case, however. The comparison is, well, idiotic, really. Something about the home movies he made about himself and all that. And claiming responsibility for 911. You know, small stuff. This guy denied much of the wrongdoing our government has accused him of. Hmmm..... They guy was driving down a desert road with another tool in an SUV. Wow. Tough operation to pick him up. Sounds like it woulda required a whole division at least. Look, I know it's fashionable to wax hyperbolic in the military. It's fun. But come on. Get real. How long do you think it would take to get authorization to go in? How many people in that country would be notified? How many would leak information. I am telling you from experience that these issues make such snatch and grabs "difficult" if not impossible. Of all the high end operatives we have gone after, the only one that was done with boots on the ground was OBL and this was likely more of a political decision than a tactical one. I would love to be able to snatch HVT's but the reality is that we are not able to simply fly into another country's airspace and put operators on the ground. Why they let us drop JDAMS and use Spectre fire is above my level, but I know first hand the issues in dealing with nations with serious intelligence leaks and trying to put together a complex time sensitive op while racing the clock before the targets are notified by the host nation's government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhalteke Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Well they may have to revert back to the old fashion method. Get ready to be inserted AK. I would love to. Problem is, I will be inserted into a dry hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So, the man who was the regional commander to Al Qaeda, We know that how, exactly? Or was he just a loudmouth we really didn't like? And therein lies the rub. That's precisely why due process exists...to keep those with all the guns from bullshitting us. It's not some high and mighty ideal, it's the cornerstone of who we are, with every day, nuts and bolts ramifications. Do I think this incident was exceptional? Yes. The end of civilization as we know it? No. Was the preacher a royal prick? It would seem so. (most, if not all, fundy preachers are, regardless of stripe). Am I starting to sound like Rumsfeld? Probably. Frankly, I don't believe in American exceptionalism, nor do I believe that our citizens should be afforded any different human rights than anyone else. People are people. Well, some are, anyway. OBL was just a wee bit of a different case, however. The comparison is, well, idiotic, really. Something about the home movies he made about himself and all that. And claiming responsibility for 911. You know, small stuff. This guy denied much of the wrongdoing our government has accused him of. Hmmm..... They guy was driving down a desert road with another tool in an SUV. Wow. Tough operation to pick him up. Sounds like it woulda required a whole division at least. Look, I know it's fashionable to wax hyperbolic in the military. It's fun. But come on. Get real. How long do you think it would take to get authorization to go in? How many people in that country would be notified? How many would leak information. I am telling you from experience that these issues make such snatch and grabs "difficult" if not impossible. Of all the high end operatives we have gone after, the only one that was done with boots on the ground was OBL and this was likely more of a political decision than a tactical one. I would love to be able to snatch HVT's but the reality is that we are not able to simply fly into another country's airspace and put operators on the ground. Why they let us drop JDAMS and use Spectre fire is above my level, but I know first hand the issues in dealing with nations with serious intelligence leaks and trying to put together a complex time sensitive op while racing the clock before the targets are notified by the host nation's government. So you're saying 'throw civil liberties out the window because it's too much paperwork?' We're not working with the Yemeni govt? We don't have CIA etc in Yemen now? I don't buy it. I've heard all the same arguments before, and they always turn out to be just more bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Why take prisoners at all, ever? Pain in the ass, yo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) Who did this guy kill, anyway? Anyone? I can remember a whole bunch of Iranians yelling 'Death to America!' IN America after the Islamic Revolution...nobody shoved a missile up their asses. Edited October 8, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhalteke Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Who did this guy kill, anyway? Anyone? I can remember a whole bunch of Iranians yelling 'Death to America!' IN America after the Islamic Revolution...nobody shoved a missile up their asses. Ft. Hood. Attempt in Detroit among others. Masterminding one mass murder and attempting another couple... quite the resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhalteke Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So, the man who was the regional commander to Al Qaeda, We know that how, exactly? Or was he just a loudmouth we really didn't like? And therein lies the rub. That's precisely why due process exists...to keep those with all the guns from bullshitting us. It's not some high and mighty ideal, it's the cornerstone of who we are, with every day, nuts and bolts ramifications. Do I think this incident was exceptional? Yes. The end of civilization as we know it? No. Was the preacher a royal prick? It would seem so. (most, if not all, fundy preachers are, regardless of stripe). Am I starting to sound like Rumsfeld? Probably. Frankly, I don't believe in American exceptionalism, nor do I believe that our citizens should be afforded any different human rights than anyone else. People are people. Well, some are, anyway. OBL was just a wee bit of a different case, however. The comparison is, well, idiotic, really. Something about the home movies he made about himself and all that. And claiming responsibility for 911. You know, small stuff. This guy denied much of the wrongdoing our government has accused him of. Hmmm..... They guy was driving down a desert road with another tool in an SUV. Wow. Tough operation to pick him up. Sounds like it woulda required a whole division at least. Look, I know it's fashionable to wax hyperbolic in the military. It's fun. But come on. Get real. How long do you think it would take to get authorization to go in? How many people in that country would be notified? How many would leak information. I am telling you from experience that these issues make such snatch and grabs "difficult" if not impossible. Of all the high end operatives we have gone after, the only one that was done with boots on the ground was OBL and this was likely more of a political decision than a tactical one. I would love to be able to snatch HVT's but the reality is that we are not able to simply fly into another country's airspace and put operators on the ground. Why they let us drop JDAMS and use Spectre fire is above my level, but I know first hand the issues in dealing with nations with serious intelligence leaks and trying to put together a complex time sensitive op while racing the clock before the targets are notified by the host nation's government. So you're saying 'throw civil liberties out the window because it's too much paperwork?' We're not working with the Yemeni govt? We don't have CIA etc in Yemen now? I don't buy it. I've heard all the same arguments before, and they always turn out to be just more bullshit. Just because we are working with the Yemeni government (kind of) doesn't mean that they would allow an "invasion" on their soil. For some reason, the occasional bomb doesn't irk their sense of soveirenty, but boots on the ground does. As I said earlier, just because SOME in the government are working with us doesn't mean that all of them are. If not every single person briefed is on board (and in Muslim countries, everyone needs to be briefed it seems) leaks happen and U.S. lives are in danger of at very least a dry hole and on the extreme end, an ambush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Ft. Hood. Attempt in Detroit among others. Masterminding one mass murder and attempting another couple... quite the resume. meh. you could say the same thing about rush limbaugh or any other happy conservative asshole on the a.m. dial after the gifford shooting. much as i'd get a healthy gut-laugh out of some navy seal sticking a bowie knife up rush's chocolate-hole, i'd still think homeslice oughta get the trial first... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Who did this guy kill, anyway? Anyone? I can remember a whole bunch of Iranians yelling 'Death to America!' IN America after the Islamic Revolution...nobody shoved a missile up their asses. Ft. Hood. Attempt in Detroit among others. Masterminding one mass murder and attempting another couple... quite the resume. The press has reported that these incidents were 'inspired' by him, not masterminded. That's two completely different scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Why take prisoners at all, ever? Pain in the ass, yo. admittedly, this woulda solved the gitmo problem quite nicely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Kevin. Do you think this is Gorbachev in a turban? I wouldn't mind shooting that finger off. looks like my pop, w/ a serious tan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So, the possibility a 'leak' or a 'dry hole' means throwing due process out the window. WEAK SAUCE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Ivan - you still think "moron" is not a propos? yeah, the conspiracy-theory crowd is a different breed - the 'bone's a good-guy, but he's a beatard through and through, and nothing is as beatarded as a general belief in flying saucers and weird shit like that love ya kev, keep being you! shit, it occurs to me i never got your position on the important david lee roth vs sammy hagar issue! i'm assuming your an old-skewl boi through n' through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So, the possibility a 'leak' or a 'dry hole' means throwing due process out the window. WEAK SAUCE. dry holes? jesus christ, i thought the modern wonders of viagra and astroglide had made that a thing of the past?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 The past two administrations have been in the habit of billing some of their captives as SUPER DANGEROUS (like the 700 + detainees at Gitmo released without charges...that KIND OF DANGEROUS, or bin Ladens Right Hand Man...er...driver. Sorry, but there's been such a river of bullshit flowing from DC and Langley that, call me unpatriotic, but I kinda require a bit more evidence to back up the B Movie plot these days. I don't think this guy was much more than a loud mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Ivan - you still think "moron" is not a propos? yeah, the conspiracy-theory crowd is a different breed - the 'bone's a good-guy, but he's a beatard through and through, and nothing is as beatarded as a general belief in flying saucers and weird shit like that love ya kev, keep being you! shit, it occurs to me i never got your position on the important david lee roth vs sammy hagar issue! i'm assuming your an old-skewl boi through n' through? WTF is with those OreRayGun boyz? Is it the water? Fluoridation, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) So, the possibility a 'leak' or a 'dry hole' means throwing due process out the window. WEAK SAUCE. dry holes? jesus christ, i thought the modern wonders of viagra and astroglide had made that a thing of the past?!? Leak, dry hole, or amBush. Anyway you look at it, you're in for a pretty rude Saturday night. Edited October 8, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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