Greeks Bearing Gifts....

[tvashtarkatena]

Boutique little vignettes about dirty hippies and B movie British actors aside, redistribution of wealth is what governments do.

[prole]

This redistribution of wealth? The one that's actually happening rather than the rhetorical one that's dragged out any time improving the lives of regular people is mentioned?

 

This relates to the issue of "shared sacrifice" as well. Why are we even discussing squeezing what are really just marginally better off workers when American finance, corporations and wealthy individuals whose incomes grew by leaps and bounds during the great redistribution, are sitting on a cash hoard in the trillions, and are positively thriving in the midst of austerity?

 

Oh that's right, when we're only allowed to play in the sandbox of the immediately possible those just marginally better off workers represent the most vulnerable, lowest hanging fruit. There's that vision thing again...

[KaskadskyjKozak]

This redistribution of wealth?[/url] The one that's actually happening rather than the rhetorical one that's dragged out any time improving the lives of regular people is mentioned?

 

This relates to the issue of "shared sacrifice" as well. Why are we even discussing squeezing what are really just marginally better off workers when American finance, corporations and wealthy individuals whose incomes grew by leaps and bounds during the great redistribution, are sitting on a cash hoard in the trillions, and are positively thriving in the midst of austerity?

 

You are perfectly welcome to start your OWN business, pay yourself less, your workers more, and run a more equitable business. If all your like-minded liberal friends do the same then you'd effect real change. Oh, wait, that would actually require DOING something.

 

 

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

This redistribution of wealth?[/url] The one that's actually happening rather than the rhetorical one that's dragged out any time improving the lives of regular people is mentioned?

 

This relates to the issue of "shared sacrifice" as well. Why are we even discussing squeezing what are really just marginally better off workers when American finance, corporations and wealthy individuals whose incomes grew by leaps and bounds during the great redistribution, are sitting on a cash hoard in the trillions, and are positively thriving in the midst of austerity?

 

You are perfectly welcome to start your OWN business, pay yourself less, your workers more, and run a more equitable business. If all your like-minded liberal friends do the same then you'd effect real change. Oh, wait, that would actually require DOING something.

 

 

 

 

You, in turn, might consider actually working rather than fucking around on the internet while 'earning' your paycheck.

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

You, in turn, might consider actually working rather than fucking around on the internet while 'earning' your paycheck.

 

*yawn* Same old boring shit from a boring old loser.

 

 

 

 

[prole]

Oh please, more mythological small-businessman as heroic American figure to avoid, evade, and obscure the vast concentrations in wealth and power that have been taking place here and that are going to have to figure in any 'realistic' discussion of working through our crises without making them worse.

[tvashtarkatena]

You, in turn, might consider actually working rather than fucking around on the internet while 'earning' your paycheck.

 

*yawn* Same old boring shit from a boring old loser.

 

 

 

 

A loser that runs two of his own businesses. Perhaps you could write a 'how to' for us. Or a helpful pamphlet on improving the American work ethic.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Oh please, more mythological small-businessman as heroic American figure to avoid, evade, and obscure the vast concentrations in wealth and power that have been taking place here and that are going to have to figure in any 'realistic' discussion of working through our crises without making them worse.

 

Start small and build up to huge conglomerates. Surely plenty of your like-minded (and rich) libtards can start corporations and avoid all the self-gratifying high compensation packages?

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

You, in turn, might consider actually working rather than fucking around on the internet while 'earning' your paycheck.

 

*yawn* Same old boring shit from a boring old loser.

 

 

 

 

A loser that runs two of his own businesses. Perhaps you could write a 'how to' for us. Or a helpful pamphlet on improving the American work ethic.

 

Oooh, that's so impressive. Just like your "graduate-level coursework" and your shitty art, and your GF "waiting for you" whiile you climb lib ridge. Fuck off, asshole.

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

I've crossed you off my 'prospective art patron' list LOL. Speaking of that, I've got a shitty exhibition coming up, so it's hi ho, hi ho...

Edited November 29, 2011 by tvashtarkatena

[prole]

Oh please, more mythological small-businessman as heroic American figure to avoid, evade, and obscure the vast concentrations in wealth and power that have been taking place here and that are going to have to figure in any 'realistic' discussion of working through our crises without making them worse.

 

Start small and build up to huge conglomerates.

 

You're hilarious. Two moobs for you!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Oh please, more mythological small-businessman as heroic American figure to avoid, evade, and obscure the vast concentrations in wealth and power that have been taking place here and that are going to have to figure in any 'realistic' discussion of working through our crises without making them worse.

 

Start small and build up to huge conglomerates.

 

You're hilarious. Two moobs for you!

 

What it won't work? Neither does Marxism.

 

 

[prole]

I'm not even sure you know what that means. Feel free to post some spank material to illustrate your 'point', though. Reality will still be here when you get back.

[tvashtarkatena]

Xmas is coming up, KKK. I can always use more cobalt drill bits and 4" grinder blades. Support the arts.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

I'm not even sure you know what that means. Feel free to post some spank material to illustrate your 'point', though. Reality will still be here when you get back.

 

Feel free to tell us exactly how you would change the compensation structure of CEO's compared to the rank-and-file fixing your oft-cited wealth gap. Let's hear some concrete explicit steps rather than typical progtard whining and hand-waving.

[tvashtarkatena]

Since, you know, you've taken the effort to go to my website or shows and see my art hee hee.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

I'm not even sure you know what that means. Feel free to post some spank material to illustrate your 'point', though. Reality will still be here when you get back.

 

Feel free to tell us exactly how you would change the compensation structure of CEO's compared to the rank-and-file fixing your oft-cited wealth gap. Let's hear some concrete explicit steps rather than typical progtard whining and hand-waving.

 

Crickets.

[ivan]

Feel free to tell us exactly how you would change the compensation structure of CEO's compared to the rank-and-file fixing your oft-cited wealth gap. Let's hear some concrete explicit steps rather than typical progtard whining and hand-waving.

 

Crickets.

i imagine the department of labor is up for enforcing a federal law requiring executive pay and benefits be no more than say, 20 times that of a full-time employee's? congress likes laws to be as complicated as they can get, of course, so i imagine they might like to tie that X-factor somehow to the size of a company, perhaps offering more profit to those who start the small and mid-sized businesses that employee the most folks.

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

i imagine the department of labor is up for enforcing a federal law requiring executive pay and benefits be no more than say, 20 times that of a full-time employee's?

 

Yeah, that would be constitutional.

[tvashtarkatena]

Yes, it would be, as are minimum wage laws.

 

Dumbshit.

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Yes, it would be, as are minimum wage laws.

 

Dumbshit.

 

 

 

Any attempt by congress to legislate upper limits on compensate would go into court-gridlock and you damn-well know it.

 

Tell us all again how smart you are. Aborted "graduate coursework", notwithstanding.

 

[JayB]

"Just like scores of other communities across Rhode Island, if you live in Warwick, you’ve seen a steady increase in property taxes every year over the last ten years—more often than not, by the maximum allowed by law. But a GoLocalProv review of reports shows Warwick’s tax increases went, almost exclusively, to increases in the costs of benefits to city employees—not to increases in services or infrastructure.

 

To be more precise, 92.5-percent of all new revenue went to pensions, healthcare, salaries, sick pay bonuses, and longevity. The remaining 7.25-percent went to services and infrastructure.

 

In the year 2004, the City of Warwick spent $30.3 million in employee benefits. This year, the city is budgeted to spend $47.9 million. That’s a 58-percent increase in the cost of employee benefits (pension, health care, dental, unpaid sick days, etc.) over 8 years—a steady hike of 7-percent every year. By comparison, the city spent $6.6 million on social services in 2004. This year, the city is budgeted to spend less than it did 8-years ago—$6.4 million."

 

More likely the rule than the exception.

http://www.golocalprov.com/news/warwick-facing-pension-meltdown/

[tvashtarkatena]

Yes, it would be, as are minimum wage laws.

 

Dumbshit.

 

 

 

Any attempt by congress to legislate upper limits on compensate would go into court-gridlock and you damn-well know it.

 

Tell us all again how smart you are. Aborted "graduate coursework", notwithstanding.

 

I probably don't need to point out to anyone else here that legislative gridlock and violation of the constitution are two different things.

 

There is no such thing as "court gridlock". Again, you're confusing the legislative process with the judicial. Unlike the legislature, courts follow strict procedures, and SCOTUS decisions on big issue often don't take long. Take Obamacare. Less than two years to a SCOTUS ruling (due this spring...arguments have already been heard). Compare that to the legislative process, which may never produce any result, and you'll find that's actually pretty fast.

 

The "gridlock" you refer to only happens when a) courts reject a case, and throw it back to the legislature to resolve or b) the courts rule on a difficult issue...and throw it back to the legislature to resolve.

 

Precedence regarding the Commerce Clause indicates that Congress could cap executive pay as long as it served a compelling public interest, just as it caps minimum wages on the lower end for the same.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2011 by tvashtarkatena

[ivan]

i imagine the department of labor is up for enforcing a federal law requiring executive pay and benefits be no more than say, 20 times that of a full-time employee's?

 

Yeah, that would be constitutional.

article 1, section 8, clause 3 of fw's tired old document:

the congress shall have the power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."

 

sounds like it covers at least companies workign across state borders - i'm sure most states have sufficient paper to cover their asses in similiar fashion

 

hey, you wanted a proposal - you got one - next objection, other than giving lawyers excuses to do what they love best?

[tvashtarkatena]

Congress can (and has) regulated an individual farmer's right to grow wheat for his own consumption (because it effects the overall supply, and therefore price, of wheat in general). And yes, this is from a SCOTUS ruling.

 

Yeah, I think Congress can limit executive pay. I also think Obamacare is gonna pass muster, but hey, SCOTUS is always a crap shoot.