G-spotter Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 http://thelocavore.ca/ Waiting for first conservitard dumbfuck to label local eating a yuppie affectation and boast about the quality of trans fat laden walmart junkfood in response to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 The funny thing about locavores is that preparing food at home consumes vastly more energy than anything else in the journey from food to table. The energy inputs from commercial production and transport are completely trivial by comparison. Having said that - if you're willing to invest the time and money in a particular boutique food fetish - knock yourself out. There are plenty of people who will be happy to take your money in exchange for producing food that's consistent with whatever set of values and practices that you believe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 My food supply for one year... The efficiencies are astronomical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share Posted November 23, 2010 Read white text under blog link in first post by highlighting Now read responses 1 and 2. PREPARING food at home is efficient. It's only driving to the store to get it that is energy-inefficient. Buying in bulk and storing it is a good way to reduce travel times and hence improve efficiency. BTW JayB I'm surprised you can call turnips, potatos, onions and rutabagas "boutique food", but if that's the filter you need to look through to justify your worldview, then thanks for letting us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Secret writing! So cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 BTW JayB I'm surprised you can call turnips, potatos, onions and rutabagas "boutique food", but if that's the filter you need to look through to justify your worldview, then thanks for letting us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Never mind the economic aspects of keeping money in the community vs. sending it off to your favorite multi-national! Local food is for stupid hipsters, just like fixies and skinny jeans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 The math will set us free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Read white text under blog link in first post by highlighting Now read responses 1 and 2. PREPARING food at home is efficient. It's only driving to the store to get it that is energy-inefficient. Buying in bulk and storing it is a good way to reduce travel times and hence improve efficiency. BTW JayB I'm surprised you can call turnips, potatos, onions and rutabagas "boutique food", but if that's the filter you need to look through to justify your worldview, then thanks for letting us know. http://alanmccrindle.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/it-is-the-cooking-method-stupid-insights-into-energy-usage-and-carbon-dioxide-production-in-the-food-production-consumption-chain/ http://www.infra.kth.se/fms/pdf/Report160.pdf Et.....cetera. There's a bunch of other literature out there that establish this point. What makes a food "boutique" isn't the type of food, but the price that one is willing to pay for the particular production methods used to generate it. If you want to only eat fruit harvested by left-handed vegan pacifists who toil in rootop-veggie collective - great. I'm sure they appreciate your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Local food is for stupid hipsters, just like fixies and skinny jeans. Apples that taste like Apples are a symbol of socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Never mind the economic aspects of keeping money in the community vs. sending it off to your favorite multi-national! Local food is for stupid hipsters, just like fixies and skinny jeans. The argument in favor of digging for ore beneath your home and fabricating a car from metal that you smelt yourself is equally compelling. Ditto for drilling your own fillings vs sending the money out of your household by paying a dentist to do it for you, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Never mind the economic aspects of keeping money in the community vs. sending it off to your favorite multi-national! Local food is for stupid hipsters, just like fixies and skinny jeans. The argument in favor of digging for ore beneath your home and fabricating a car from metal that you smelt yourself is equally compelling. Ditto for drilling your own fillings vs sending the money out of your household by paying a dentist to do it for you, etc, etc. Why climb a mountain when others have taken pictures from the summit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Never mind the economic aspects of keeping money in the community vs. sending it off to your favorite multi-national! Local food is for stupid hipsters, just like fixies and skinny jeans. The argument in favor of digging for ore beneath your home and fabricating a car from metal that you smelt yourself is equally compelling. Ditto for drilling your own fillings vs sending the money out of your household by paying a dentist to do it for you, etc, etc. Why climb a mountain when others have taken pictures from the summit? Yes - people are motivated to get fillings, buy pre-mixed concrete, fiberglass insulation, and camcorders for all of the intangible non-economic reasons that people....climb mountains. Argument by Dada-analogy. Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Never mind the economic aspects of keeping money in the community vs. sending it off to your favorite multi-national! Local food is for stupid hipsters, just like fixies and skinny jeans. The argument in favor of digging for ore beneath your home and fabricating a car from metal that you smelt yourself is equally compelling. Ditto for drilling your own fillings vs sending the money out of your household by paying a dentist to do it for you, etc, etc. hmmm...buy locally produced food or growing a bit of lettuce in your own yard = drilling your own fillings for you. well sounds like you're convinced! interesting opinion you have there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 If you were as rational as Jay_B you'd understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 'course plenty of people do home improvement projects, grow their own vegetables, work on cars, and build shit because they enjoy it so maybe he's back to homo-free-marketus fables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 DOES NOT COMPUTE IN CAPITALIST ECONOMY. WILL NOT OPEN POD BAY DOORS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrox Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 I grow most of my own vegetables and fertilize them with the compost from garden waste. I also use organic nitrogen fertilizer that is made locally. I notice almost no change in my water bill. This year I picked nearly 100 ears of corn, fresh lettuce and spinach for 7 months, 12 months worth of green beans, dozens of Jalapenos, dozens of Bell peppers, and 6 100 pound pumpkins (the kids wanted the giant breed for Halloween, normally we grow Cinderellas). Store bought produce flat sucks compared to my fresh home grown veggies. Plus I find gardening relaxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Store bought produce flat sucks compared to my fresh home grown veggies. Plus I find gardening relaxing. Next you'll say you can cook and it tastes better than what you can buy at Olive Garden! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Well watch your back Nitrox. Soon the invisible hand of the market will come knocking, and capitalism will smooth out your ugly wrinkles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Probably in the form of Monsanto demanding you pay royalties for the seed that they infected your crop with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 DOES NOT COMPUTE IN CAPITALIST ECONOMY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Pay a qualified dentist in your neighborhood to drill your teeth and fill cavities. Don't drive across town to visit the Dentaltron subsidiary in Behemoth Mall. I agree buying local can fall apart when you want to buy stuff like a car, but it works for lots of items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 If Jay's favored model for industrialized agriculture and the global transportation networks it depends on were capable of including the real costs (the ones it currently externalizes) of its "low, low prices", the math would look a lot different. The game's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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