pope Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 Got a friend who likes alpine rock routes (who doesn't?). Anyway, he's got a weight-saving system for bivies, in which he and his buddy use a 2-man bivouac sack (spooning, no forking), which is significantly lighter than two singles. I don't know what else he does to save weight, but he's had success with the system. Anybody else tried it? Do you have any other hot tips for saving weight, especially for climbs that require a bivouac (for average climbers, anyway)? Quote
pope Posted February 8, 2002 Author Posted February 8, 2002 Feel free to move this out of "SPRAY" Mr. Moderator. Oooops. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 All I know is Crack has the best system. He dont take shit! Not even a stove that works shit paper or anything but ramen raw, a tadbit of water. Quote
Charlie Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 Pope- I see what you're up to here- you're a sicko! A double bivi sack would wiegh the same as two singles. I'm sure you are aware of this fact as you are a math teacher. I suggest you take this topic to http://www.gay.com ! [ 02-08-2002: Message edited by: Charlie ] Quote
kevin_page Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 For summer climbs when the forecast is good I'll leave the bivy sack home and take my Wild Things pack that has a half body length extension sleeve and a removeable foam back pad. The back pad folds out to become a 18"X36"X1/4" thick approx. sleeping pad and the pack a half bivy bag. Combined with a coat for whatever temps are and a hat it is comfy enough for a night or two. If only it had a suspension system that made load carrying easier it would be perfect. Quote
pope Posted February 8, 2002 Author Posted February 8, 2002 I suppose not too many guys would want to admit to believing in the double-biv-sac system....but I'm serious, it's supposed to be lighter than two singles and a little more secure than a tarp. The guy I'm thinking of ain't the least bit fruity. He's a real man's man, with the wife and kids and the whole nine yards. Technically he's Joe Average, handling 5.10 on a good day, but he's used this system on some fast ascents (fast for an average guy, like a carry-over on Chouinard/Beckey on South Howser in two days, car-to-car). Quote
kevin_page Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 My ex and I used to use a double bivy bag that she'd made. She also sewed a zipper onto a sheet that matched up to a down sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was then a blanket for us both. I don't know how much weight this saved but it sure made bivy's fun. Quote
Bronco Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 right on roger! What are we there for? Climbing tough guy style, or sleeping with the comforts of home. Personally, I'd pack a bottle of coffee, climb through the night and leave all that bivi stuff in the car for emergencies. Quote
chucK Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 Bronco, Is that the voice of experience or are you just making shit up? Quote
Charlie Posted February 8, 2002 Posted February 8, 2002 quote: Originally posted by kevin page: My ex and I used to use a double bivy bag that she'd made. She also sewed a zipper onto a sheet that matched up to a down sleeping bag. The sleeping bag was then a blanket for us both. I don't know how much weight this saved but it sure made bivy's fun. yeah, she's still got that bag- it works pretty nice Quote
kevin_page Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Charlie: yeah, she's still got that bag- it works pretty nice Sorry Charlie, only the best tuna get to be StarKist. Quote
Dru Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 I like how roger said "edible" food. good to see that clarified! Quote
Figger_Eight Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 Nope...I still prefer two bivy sacks - in case my partner takes a crap on his, mine is still dry. Quote
Dru Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 why not just take 1 bivy sack and sleep in shifts?? Quote
willstrickland Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: All I know is Crack has the best system. He dont take shit! Not even a stove that works shit paper or anything but ramen raw, a tadbit of water. Caveman, if you worked a job where you ate with a stick or a spoon carved from a stick, started all your fires with a native american bow-drill set, cooked in an old coffee can over a squaw fire, and got six sheets of tp per grump until it ran out then used spruce cones or mullin leaves, ate raw ramen, carrots, and PB for lunch every day...you'd know where Crack's comin' from. So here's to Crack's ghetto bivy system, one we both got to use extensively. Here's to ya Crack Quote
admin Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 pope i think this thread is in the right forum Quote
roger_johnson Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 I've been using the same mind set ever since I started climbing concerning bivys and what gear to take. A light weight sac, all needed climbing gear (pared down to the minimum), a sweater, wind coat, hat and gloves, ediable food and water bottle. Depending on the rt., one ice axe, one pair of crampons, a thin rope. No stove, no bivy sacks, no foam pads, no electronic devices(sound or navagation). The idea is to lighten the load so that moving over tough terrain is easy and FUN! You can tough it out for a few nights, play like your an Afgan. Quote
pope Posted February 9, 2002 Author Posted February 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Charlie: yeah, she's still got that bag- it works pretty nice Dat some funny shit. [ 02-09-2002: Message edited by: pope ] Quote
Bronco Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by chucK: Bronco, Is that the voice of experience or are you just making shit up? I am offended you would think one of us capable of making up something like this. NO, I AM NOT MAKING IT UP. I don't do it every weekend, but you don't really need sleep as bad as you think. Thats why God gave us COFFEE!! Why, do you want to go climbing with me? Quote
chucK Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 Sorry Bronco, I guess I was thrown by the conditional tense in your statement. That is, you wrote [bQ] I'd pack a bottle of coffee [/bQ], like I would as opposed to I do. But I guess people don't choose their words that carefully around here so I should just be more careful. Also, I was thinking that climbing through the night might be good and all in summertime Alaska, but down here in WA it gets dark in the middle of the night, and darkness sorta diminishes my climbing enjoyment. What did Roger write? That what was key was to make "moving over rough terrain easy and FUN". Maybe you young guys think its fun to stay up all night, but I don't, especially if it involves demanding physical activity. Later. Quote
allthumbs Posted February 9, 2002 Posted February 9, 2002 Knowing Pope's history of bag shitting, why would anyone want to sleep with him? Quote
Dru Posted February 10, 2002 Posted February 10, 2002 quote: Originally posted by trask: Knowing Pope's history of bag shitting, why would anyone want to sleep with him? coprophiliac???? Quote
allthumbs Posted February 10, 2002 Posted February 10, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: coprophiliac???? flagitiousness Quote
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