Torture: Our real values revealed

[tvashtarkatena]

Eventually, all of the Bush administration's dirty laundry will come out, as it does in this story. Hopefully, those responsible for staining our national honor and trashing our most sacred values will be prosecuted so as to re-instate the rule of law and the accountability and discipline that it demands.

 

Strong people don't give up their most dearly held values when scared. Weaklings do.

 

Detainees describe explicitly how they were tortured NYT

[Serenity]

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[tvashtarkatena]

The message of the previous post is that we need to reduce our behavior to the lowest common denominator to mimmick that of some of the cruelest people on the planet.

 

Personally, I think Americans should strive to be stronger than that.

 

 

[Fairweather]

It's funny the way liberals so often confuse love with respect. But it's sad that they seem so eager to believe our enemies and so loathe American soldiers and operatives.

[pc313]

Damm Fairweather do you sleep with a loaded gun or what?

[Fairweather]

Damm Fairweather do you sleep with a loaded gun or what?

 

No, but I often wake up with one.

[pc313]

Too much information!!

[tvashtarkatena]

It's funny the way liberals so often confuse love with respect. But it's sad that they seem so eager to believe our enemies and so loathe American soldiers and operatives.

 

It's interesting that you speak for liberals and soldiers. You've never been either one.

 

As for soldiers:

 

Jeffery Robinson, the Gitmo defense attorney I heard speak yesterday, told this story.

 

When he first got to Gitmo, he went to meet with the military defense team, a group of officers who had been assigned to defend five of the detainees currently on trial there. All but one was under 40. He expected that they'd 'mail in' their defense.

 

He couldn't have been more wrong. According to Robinson, they turned out to be some of the smartest, most dedicated, and hardworking defense team he'd ever worked with in 28 years of criminal defense practice. They were, to a man, ashamed and appalled at the way our government had treated the defendants, and how it had attempted, in every way possible, to rig the trials in prosecution's favor. They knew that what we do to our prisoners sends the green light around the world to all of our current and future enemies to do the same to our captured soldiers.

 

 

Edited March 15, 2009 by tvashtarkatena

[Fairweather]

They were, to a man, ashamed and appalled at the way our government had treated the defendants, and how it had attempted, in every way possible, to rig the trials in prosecution's favor. They knew that what we do to our prisoners sends the green light around the world to all of our current and future enemies to do the same to our captured soldiers.

 

 

Hey dumbshit, they already do. Again: Aside from apparently being Seattle's number one ACLU groupie, what are your qualifications to endlessly pontificate and cite constitutional law here or anywhere with the authority you try so pathetically to project?

[ivan]

what are your qualifications to endlessly pontificate and cite constitutional law here or anywhere with the authority you try so pathetically to project?

to my mind, his biggest qualification is that you're willing to listen. at some level, you must enjoy this, b/c you seem to stick around all the time despite apparently having many other demands on your life?

 

and since when do you have to be an expert to have an opinion? having an opinion, having it attacked, researching it, defending it - this is all part of the educational process that actually MAKES one an expert, yes?

[tvashtarkatena]

They were, to a man, ashamed and appalled at the way our government had treated the defendants, and how it had attempted, in every way possible, to rig the trials in prosecution's favor. They knew that what we do to our prisoners sends the green light around the world to all of our current and future enemies to do the same to our captured soldiers.

 

 

Hey dumbshit, they already do. Again: Aside from apparently being Seattle's number one ACLU groupie, what are your qualifications to endlessly pontificate and cite constitutional law here or anywhere with the authority you try so pathetically to project?

 

Our future enemies already do? Kewl, myan.

[tvashtarkatena]

I have a GMHR certificate.

[ivan]

gay man-hating republicunt?

[tvashtarkatena]

General Member of the Human Race

[tvashtarkatena]

Years ago my roommate went to Russia on a climbing exchange program. Pre-Gorbachev. If you know anything about Russians, you know that they are INTO qualifications big time. Introductions were made. Dr. Soinsosky, PhD. Mr. BlahBlahBLah, President, Association of Blah Blah Blah.

 

My roommate was a student at the time. He had them introduce him as Doug Larsen, GMHR.

 

They bought it, hook line and sinker.

[tvashtarkatena]

What would it take not to be qualified enough to spray?

 

A coma?

[glassgowkiss]

Hey dumbshit, they already do. Again: Aside from apparently being Seattle's number one ACLU groupie, what are your qualifications to endlessly pontificate and cite constitutional law here or anywhere with the authority you try so pathetically to project?

hey jizzwad- there is no one talking more about constitutionality and constitution law then you. so SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH! you are just annoying little cry cunt.

[glassgowkiss]

Hey dumbshit, they already do. Again: Aside from apparently being Seattle's number one ACLU groupie, what are your qualifications to endlessly pontificate and cite constitutional law here or anywhere with the authority you try so pathetically to project?

hey jizzwad- there is no one talking more about constitutionality and constitution law then you. so SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH! you are just annoying little cry cunt.

[glassgowkiss]

Hey dumbshit, they already do. Again: Aside from apparently being Seattle's number one ACLU groupie, what are your qualifications to endlessly pontificate and cite constitutional law here or anywhere with the authority you try so pathetically to project?

hey jizzwad- there is no one talking more about constitutionality and constitution law then you. so SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH! you are just annoying little cry cunt.

[glassgowkiss]

Hey dumbshit, they already do. Again: Aside from apparently being Seattle's number one ACLU groupie, what are your qualifications to endlessly pontificate and cite constitutional law here or anywhere with the authority you try so pathetically to project?

hey jizzwad- there is no one talking more about constitutionality and constitution law then you. so SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH! you are just annoying little cry cunt.