I feared this....

[akhalteke]

name one instance of proposed policy of Obama's that would force a classless society. I will be awaiting your post.

 

One instance? Impossible. Progressive taxes are a good start. If there is no possibility of ascension, why work harder. In this way, a uni-class system in nearly inevitable; as much so as one started with a coup and enforced with guns.

 

OMFG, the timing of this moronic post couldn't have been better.

 

Um, we've ALWAYS had a proggressive federal income tax. Still waiting for that uni-class society to spring up....

 

Yes, but level encouraged by Obama is quite ridiculous.

[tvashtarkatena]

What's really funny is that Obama's plan increases taxes for folks making $250K and more and decreases taxes for those making less.

 

McCain's tax plan (has anyone on this board actually looked at it? ) laughably gives tax cuts to EVERYONE, but heavily favors the rich. Woohoo! Free money!!!!!

[billcoe]

It seems that his rhetoric is inciteful enough to drum up those sentiments. Granted, this is not a militaristic coup; this is more economic and political in nature, but not altogether dissimilar.

 

Then it's like an Anti-Reagan revolution I suppose.

 

BTW Trash, I've read all his positions. He's got great ideas coming out his ears, yet somehow we, the reader, are expected to suppose and believe that all the money will rain down like manna from heaven for all these goodies and abundance we will receive from the Gobment. At least Hillary was truthful and upfront in spelling out exactly where the money for the health care plan as to come from.

 

Uhhh, sure, and I have a bridge I'll sell ya too. Hope and change, it's the new religion (ie, unfounded on fact belief system) for folks like yourself.

[rob]

Gee, if I have to pay slightly higher taxes, I have absolutely NO incentive to make millions of dollars per year!

 

 

[rob]

It seems that his rhetoric is inciteful enough to drum up those sentiments. Granted, this is not a militaristic coup; this is more economic and political in nature, but not altogether dissimilar.

 

Then it's like an Anti-Reagan revolution I suppose.

 

BTW Trash, I've read all his positions. He's got great ideas coming out his ears, yet somehow we, the reader, are expected to suppose and believe that all the money will rain down like manna from heaven for all these goodies and abundance we will receive from the Gobment. At least Hillary was truthful and upfront in spelling out exactly where the money for the health care plan as to come from.

 

Uhhh, sure, and I have a bridge I'll sell ya too. Hope and change, it's the new religion (ie, unfounded on fact belief system) for folks like yourself.

 

Sure, fair enough, Bill. But to call him a soviet-bloc commie, as scott has, is laughably idiotic, and actually belittles the true nastiness of the soviet policies.

[akhalteke]

What's really funny is that Obama's plan increases taxes for folks making $250K and more and decreases taxes for those making less.

 

McCain's tax plan (has anyone on this board actually looked at it? ) laughably gives tax cuts to EVERYONE, but heavily favors the rich. Woohoo! Free money!!!!!

 

Actually, punishes the rich less would be the more accurate description. Also, Obama would also give tax rebates to the poor that are not working; a better word for this: Welfare. So, now two forms of welfare with nice euphamistic names?

 

What will my motivation to work hard and progress be if I know that I will not see another penny if I get a raise due to an increased tax bracket?

 

[tvashtarkatena]

name one instance of proposed policy of Obama's that would force a classless society. I will be awaiting your post.

 

One instance? Impossible. Progressive taxes are a good start. If there is no possibility of ascension, why work harder. In this way, a uni-class system in nearly inevitable; as much so as one started with a coup and enforced with guns.

 

OMFG, the timing of this moronic post couldn't have been better.

 

Um, we've ALWAYS had a proggressive federal income tax. Still waiting for that uni-class society to spring up....

 

Yes, but level encouraged by Obama is quite ridiculous.

 

Prove it.

 

What the income tax be for the following annual taxable incomes under Obama's plan:

 

$50K

$100K

$250K

$1 million

$3million

 

Go. Let's see that 'graduate student' brain at work.

[rob]

What will my motivation to work hard and progress be if I know that I will not see another penny if I get a raise due to an increased tax bracket?

 

haha, you're right. If the tax rate increases for people making over $250,000, I would rather just not make that much.

[tvashtarkatena]

Oh, and let us all know why these tax rates are 'ridiculous'.

[akhalteke]

Gee, if I have to pay slightly higher taxes, I have absolutely NO incentive to make millions of dollars per year!

 

 

If Obama only does what he says, this might be true. As I have stated before, most politicains act much more moderate than they are to get elected. There are quite a few red flags that I have seen from his past voting record/ speeches hs has made in the past.

[rob]

Gee, if I have to pay slightly higher taxes, I have absolutely NO incentive to make millions of dollars per year!

 

 

If Obama only does what he says, this might be true. As I have stated before, most politicains act much more moderate than they are to get elected. There are quite a few red flags that I have seen from his past voting record/ speeches hs has made in the past.

 

You've convinced me. Obama is certainly a soviet communist!

[tvashtarkatena]

It seems that his rhetoric is inciteful enough to drum up those sentiments. Granted, this is not a militaristic coup; this is more economic and political in nature, but not altogether dissimilar.

 

Then it's like an Anti-Reagan revolution I suppose.

 

BTW Trash, I've read all his positions. He's got great ideas coming out his ears, yet somehow we, the reader, are expected to suppose and believe that all the money will rain down like manna from heaven for all these goodies and abundance we will receive from the Gobment. At least Hillary was truthful and upfront in spelling out exactly where the money for the health care plan as to come from.

 

Uhhh, sure, and I have a bridge I'll sell ya too. Hope and change, it's the new religion (ie, unfounded on fact belief system) for folks like yourself.

 

I don't actually believe anyone's going to get a tax cut anytime soon. You want to sell me a bridge? Um, aren't YOU the guy that regularly quotes from the Drudge Report?

 

I want to see the rich pay higher taxes, as they should, and that will happen under Obama.

[akhalteke]

Oh, and let us all know why these tax rates are 'ridiculous'.

 

Look at the proportion of taxes in this country paid by the highest 2% richest people in this country. And to further increase that proportion? I don't make that much but I believe that the drive to make yourself better and to better your situation is what runs this country (or did in the past) to take that away can only derail our progress as a nation and the foundation that made us the Superpower that we are/were.

[minx]

i see the geniuses are out today.

[akhalteke]

Gee, if I have to pay slightly higher taxes, I have absolutely NO incentive to make millions of dollars per year!

 

 

If Obama only does what he says, this might be true. As I have stated before, most politicains act much more moderate than they are to get elected. There are quite a few red flags that I have seen from his past voting record/ speeches hs has made in the past.

 

You've convinced me. Obama is certainly a soviet communist!

 

didn't say he was soviet bud.

[tvashtarkatena]

What's really funny is that Obama's plan increases taxes for folks making $250K and more and decreases taxes for those making less.

 

McCain's tax plan (has anyone on this board actually looked at it? ) laughably gives tax cuts to EVERYONE, but heavily favors the rich. Woohoo! Free money!!!!!

 

Actually, punishes the rich less would be the more accurate description. Also, Obama would also give tax rebates to the poor that are not working; a better word for this: Welfare. So, now two forms of welfare with nice euphamistic names?

What will my motivation to work hard and progress be if I know that I will not see another penny if I get a raise due to an increased tax bracket?

Awwwwwwww.

 

Your incentive to work is that you're already pulling down a quarter mil and you don't want to get fired, shit for brains.

 

When you're making that much coin, and this is from personal experience, you don't give a fuck anymore. The problem isn't how to get your grubby little hands on even more money (unless you're mentally ill); the problem is what to do with the money you've got coming in. And paying taxes (unless you're mentally ill), is REALLY low down on your list of worries.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2008 by tvashtarkatena

[General Zod]

 

BTW, I am not a republican; nor am I voting for Mr. McCain.

 

He's voting for me. http://www.zod2008.com/

 

 

 

[G-spotter]

I'm in favour of a flat tax. Put nails all over the highways.

[tvashtarkatena]

Oh, and let us all know why these tax rates are 'ridiculous'.

 

Look at the proportion of taxes in this country paid by the highest 2% richest people in this country. And to further increase that proportion? I don't make that much but I believe that the drive to make yourself better and to better your situation is what runs this country (or did in the past) to take that away can only derail our progress as a nation and the foundation that made us the Superpower that we are/were.

 

We won't be a SUPERPOWER anymore? OH NO!

 

I think we became a SUPERPOWER! by surviving WWII: the luck of geography, a very progressive tax policy, and a strong middle/working class made that possible, not a bunch of speculative Wall Street assholes.

 

Asshole.

 

[billcoe]

I think we became a SUPERPOWER! by surviving WWII: the luck of geography, a very progressive tax policy, and a strong middle/working class made that possible, not a bunch of speculative Wall Street assholes.

 

Asshole.

 

You come off as quite the prick sometimes Pat. Like I told Bob yesterday, if you have to start personal attacks and name calling to make your point (and Scott said nothing about you personally), then it only proves what a weak-assed point you had to begin with.

[rob]

if you have to start personal attacks and name calling to make your point, then it only proves what a weak-assed point you had to begin with.

 

Yeah, like when people resort to calling Obama a "commie"

[akhalteke]

if you have to start personal attacks and name calling to make your point, then it only proves what a weak-assed point you had to begin with.

 

Yeah, like when people resort to calling Obama a "commie"

 

I thought that was a compliment. You guys are confusing.

[Off_White]

Sorry Scott, but a cursory reading suggests that the Trashtart has waxed your ass in this conversation.

 

If you honestly believe that a progressive income tax, a given since we've had "income tax", means an enforced classless society where no one strives to succeed, then I fear military service has rendered you flat out stupid.

 

Just so you know, the US Military is hands down the most socialist institution in the United States of America. You're much more a beneficiary of socialism than little old liberal entrepreneurial small businessman me will ever be. I'm okay with that.

[tvashtarkatena]

Sorry Scott, but a cursory reading suggests that the Trashtart has waxed your ass in this conversation.

 

If you honestly believe that a progressive income tax, a given since we've had "income tax", means an enforced classless society where no one strives to succeed, then I fear military service has rendered you flat out stupid.

 

Just so you know, the US Military is hands down the most socialist institution in the United States of America. You're much more a beneficiary of socialism than little old liberal entrepreneurial small businessman me will ever be. I'm okay with that.

 

I couldn't agree more. The military lifted my father out of abject poverty and into the middle class, then payed for college and grad school after he retired. That, in turn, made it possible for us kids to go to college and live somewhere other than a slum. As socialist as you can get; and a lifesaver for follow on generations.

 

The GOP's concentration of wealth policies have reversed this trend in our country. I will never, ever forgive them for it. They disgust me.

[Bug]

if you have to start personal attacks and name calling to make your point, then it only proves what a weak-assed point you had to begin with.

 

Yeah, like when people resort to calling Obama a "commie"

 

I thought that was a compliment. You guys are confusing.

You are funny. Really.

Too bad you're so ignorant.