STORER Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Any excercises I could do to strengthen my knees? On my desents, my knees kill. Curently I do leg extensions, leg curls and I'm going to start to do squats with light weight. Steve Quote
sexual_chocolate Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Might not be a fitness problem.... Do both knees hurt equally? Ever had any injuries to the knees? And where is the pain? It might be something you want a doctor to look at.... Or, try a Neddi pot. Quote
genepires Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 A orthopedic doctor once told me that most knee problems come about from a muscle imbalance. So your balanced excercise program is a good base. He recommended that to balance the muscles, do leg extensions but only the last 45 degrees till full extension. He said not to do the extension from a 90 to 45 degree bend, only the last 45 degrees. From my experience, superfeet help with the knees as well. Something about the way the arch is suported. Mixed reviews about those supplements like glucosamine and the like. But common sense says keep the knees lubricated by staying very hydrated during all parts of your climbing trips. Americans tend to be dehydrated during the week as well which can't help, so try to stay hydrated during the week too. Lastly, four words. ski poles & light packs. Quote
Courtenay Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Steve, Check out the link here to do a simple test: http://www.bodyresults.com/E2kneetest.asp Step downs, step ups, squats (with proper form!!), deadlifts, lunges, dips and the like are all great options; free weight-type exercises or body weight resistance are preferable for climbers and skiers than most machines, as you want strength that will be helpful in your sports, not just on a machine that supports your weight and guides you in one track only. In my experience with numerous climbing clients, leg extensions are perhaps the LEAST preferred way to strengthen the quads, and a version of the squat the MOST preferred (that may be partial range, light weight, wide stance, or maybe even up against a wall as in a skier squat). Here are some more ideas on the Body Results pages for knee issues, trekking poles, and exercises: http://www.bodyresults.com/E2patellofemoral.asp http://www.bodyresults.com/E2kneeinjuries.asp http://www.bodyresults.com/E2trekkingpoles.asp http://www.bodyresults.com/S2postseason1.asp This last link takes you to a "post-season" workout that was designed to help climbers balance out the whole lower body -- it could be that your hamstrings, glutes or inner quads (the vastus medialis obliquus, or VMO) are weak, and post-season is the time to strengthen them. Good luck. Quote
Greg_W Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Alternate between mountain biking and road biking Quote
Courtenay Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 And if you can't stand biking, don't have a bike, don't have access to a friend's or family menber's bike, or if it hurts to bike, then try the other suggestions here. C'mon guys, biking AIN'T the solution to all knee ailments! some maybe, but not ALL! Quote
Greg_W Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Courtenay: And if you can't stand biking, don't have a bike, don't have access to a friend's or family menber's bike, or if it hurts to bike, then try the other suggestions here. C'mon guys, biking AIN'T the solution to all knee ailments! some maybe, but not ALL! What about cycling, Courtenay? Quote
Courtenay Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Yeah, that's the ticket! You guys crack me up. Thought this was a climbing board? Have they changed it to biking/cyclocross/cycling/mountain biking/velospectacular/road racing on me without me knowing it? Quote
Greg_W Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Would you agree, however, that biking is a lower impact way to strengthen versus trail or road running? Quote
Highlander Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Would you agree, however, that biking is a lower impact way to strengthen versus trail or road running? I used to run between 70-100 miles per week. I now bike about 90 a week. My knees feel much better, but I am not even close to same fitness level I used to be in. Quote
jon Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 GO LANCE!! Cycling has really helped my bad knees. To really strengthen you knees do low cadence rides. Quote
Courtenay Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 I would agree that biking is a good cross-training alternative to running, yes, and certainly is a great non-impact option while strengthening the hips, hams and quads, but my quibble here is that cycling is NOT a "strength" exercise -- it's great for building cardiovascular endurance. However, running and biking are BOTH quad builders, so to help with any imbalances, you need to include exercises that are NOT just quad builders. Make sense? Quote
jon Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Do plyometrics exercises built strength in the knees? I would think for hiking something that was high repetition would be better then something low rep. Thanks Court! Quote
Greg_W Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Highlander: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: Would you agree, however, that biking is a lower impact way to strengthen versus trail or road running? I used to run between 70-100 miles per week. I now bike about 90 a week. My knees feel much better, but I am not even close to same fitness level I used to be in. You're just getting old, Highlander. Quote
Courtenay Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Sure, Jon, they do -- BUT for someone who has knee issues, the impact of plyometric type exercises (both TRUE plyos, and the more popular skips, hops and jumps like you see in something like a ski conditioning class) may exacerbate the condition without appropriate strengthening ahead of time. I'd suggest any time you're working on a weakened area, start with light weight, work more on endurance (start with sets of 10 reps and build to 20) then increase the weight as form stays stellar and strength increases. Quote
Highlander Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Greg W: quote:Originally posted by Highlander: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: Would you agree, however, that biking is a lower impact way to strengthen versus trail or road running? I used to run between 70-100 miles per week. I now bike about 90 a week. My knees feel much better, but I am not even close to same fitness level I used to be in. You're just getting old, Highlander.I know, aging sucks! Quote
Bob_Clarke Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 How about squats? And hamstring specific exercises? These generally help my knees stay in shape. whatdayathink? Quote
Courtenay Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 Yup, squats and their infinite variations, IF DONE PROPERLY, and hamstring exercises like stiff-legged deadlifts, Romanian deadlifts, leg curls (this is the one nearly everyone is already familiar with; for imbalances, try doing these as 1-leg curls and make sure the legs are of even or comparable strength), glute ham raises, good mornings, back extensions, etc. etc. etc. Quote
Attitude Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Courtenay: Yup, squats and their infinite variations, IF DONE PROPERLY, and hamstring exercises like stiff-legged deadlifts, Romanian deadlifts, leg curls (this is the one nearly everyone is already familiar with; for imbalances, try doing these as 1-leg curls and make sure the legs are of even or comparable strength), glute ham raises, good mornings, back extensions, etc. etc. etc. Bikes are a great tool for performing these exercises. If done properly, of course. [ 10-17-2002, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Attitude ] Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted October 17, 2002 Posted October 17, 2002 "Americans tend to be dehydrated during the week"...am i missing something? as opposed to candadians and italians and chineese? Quote
Jonathan Posted October 18, 2002 Posted October 18, 2002 Bike, yes indeed, but if it hasn't been mentioned here already, remember to put those gears to work and spin. Don't push big gears if you can possibly avoid it, tends to lead to knee injuries and it's inefficient to boot. While there's no cadence that fits all cyclists all the time, using your gears to aim for a cadence of 70 or 80 rpm is a good goal; more experieced riders whirl in excess of 90 or even more. And, off topic, how about this Segway thingie? Cool gyro technology and nice design, sure, but unless one has some physical challenge, permanent or temporary, how is this gizmo better than a bike? Jonathan Quote
Gerg Posted October 18, 2002 Posted October 18, 2002 Biking has done wonders for my knees. They used to ache and crack all the time. Since I've curtailed the running quite a bit to about 5 miles a week and upped the biking to 100+ per week, my knees feel infitinely better. If you are looking to maintain balance between quads and hamstrings while biking, be sure to get clipless pedals and concentrate on pushing down _and_ pulling up. This not only helps improve your spin, but also keeps your leg muscles more balanced. Greg Quote
STORER Posted October 18, 2002 Author Posted October 18, 2002 Thanks for the replies. I do cycle, but not enough. I'll try some of the sugestions. Steve Quote
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