to the christians

[StevenSeagal]

Didn't you guys get the memo?

 

If you so much as get a hardon from anything other than the thought of creating a beautiful little child, you're going straight to hell.

 

I'll go ahead and make sure you get another copy of that memo.

[chucK]

Or IUD's? Aren't those technically abortion since they don't prevent conception, just prevent the fertilized egg from implanting?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Or IUD's? Aren't those technically abortion since they don't prevent conception, just prevent the fertilized egg from implanting?

 

I looked up stats on abortions a while ago, but don't remember what they "counted" as an abortion. My recollection was that for US women the average was less than 1 abortion in a lifetime. That may have included RU486 or the morning after pill, but there's no way it could have included IUDs.

[JayB]

I had a flash yesterday, and wonder why I never thought about this before.

 

I realized I do NOT have to point out others sins to them. I need to read the Bible and know what God saying to me and me alone. About how I need to change, how I need to correct my life.

 

I have never walked in someone else shoe, and can not. It is a spiritual impossibility for me, and I should not try to.

 

If God speaks to me through his word, that is to me.

 

Before you rip Christianity perhaps you should check what God has to say about it; give up your preconceived notions based on other people’s mistakes and start by reading the Bible.

 

Might I suggest starting in the New Testament with the book of John?

 

This honestly isn't an attack, but I am curious about how you process Deuteronomy, Revelations, etc.

[StevenSeagal]

Or IUD's? Aren't those technically abortion since they don't prevent conception, just prevent the fertilized egg from implanting?

 

I looked up stats on abortions a while ago, but don't remember what they "counted" as an abortion. My recollection was that for US women the average was less than 1 abortion in a lifetime. That may have included RU486 or the morning after pill, but there's no way it could have included IUDs.

 

I want those IUD's banned! They've killed a lot of our brave soldiers in Iraq.

[TheJiggler]

God is angry at Jesus.

 

[Bug]

this is a flash thought i had this morning (i'm slow). it's so obvious i'm sure someone else has said it before but i thought i should post it here so we can have our own flame war if necessary.

 

 

to the christians:

 

you know how you think it's crazy muslims deny women rights by making them wear veils, not letting them drive, and in general treating them like second class citizens? that's how i feel about your attempts to make abortion illegal.

First, most Christians do not like my stand but most Jews did not like Jesus so take it all with a grain of salt.

Abortion should be addressed through education and support of birth control. This would have to be coupled with reforms in Public health care and welfare. Huge issue. Not simplistic. Do I think abortions are OK? No. Do I think they should be illegal? Some of them. From here it gets really sticky but I have a really freaking HUGE issue with people who use it repeatedly as birth control just like I have a really freaking HUGE issue with people who think they can tell a raped woman she has to carry to term.

 

you know how you think it's crazy muslims punish the victims of rape or punish women who sit in the company of men they are not related to? that's how i feel about your opposition to gay marriage.

Gays are mostly that way due to genetics. The church is behind the times scientifically but they will adapt. Anything that changes rapidly, cannot withstand the erosion of time. We are in a particularly fast changing period and the old ways seem too slow to change. They will.

 

you know how you think it's crazy muslims wage a holy war against all infidels and think isreal should be wiped off the map? that's how i feel about your attempts to teach intelligent design or creationism in schools.

The church is behind the times scientifically but they will adapt. Anything that changes rapidly, cannot withstand the erosion of time. We are in a particularly fast changing period and the old ways seem too slow to change. They will.

 

you know how you think there are probably a lot of muslims who just see islam as a source of personal inspiration and don't advocate violence or terrorism? that's how i feel about christians who don't feel the need to impose their beliefs on others.

 

 

thanks and have a great day.

 

Cheers.

I like your post.

hey bug/ant/whatever...

 

no one really has multiple abortions...using it repeatedly as birth control...are you fucking high??

Actually, I know a woman who had 7 abortions with the same man in a five year period.

You live in a wonderful little bubble don't you?

Edited February 15, 2008 by Bug

[Seahawks]

I had a flash yesterday, and wonder why I never thought about this before.

 

I realized I do NOT have to point out others sins to them. I need to read the Bible and know what God saying to me and me alone. About how I need to change, how I need to correct my life.

 

I have never walked in someone else shoe, and can not. It is a spiritual impossibility for me, and I should not try to.

 

If God speaks to me through his word, that is to me.

 

Before you rip Christianity perhaps you should check what God has to say about it; give up your preconceived notions based on other people’s mistakes and start by reading the Bible.

 

Might I suggest starting in the New Testament with the book of John?

 

What GOD has to say about it? The bible was written by men, claiming that God told them what to write or otherwise 'moved their hand'. Now why does this 'fact' always get a free pass? Why is this taken as a given? If anyone today writes something down and claims that God spoke through them, they are immediately vilified and ridiculed...or worse...as lunatics, blasphemers, frauds. What was so different about John and others 1500-2000 years ago that what they wrote down is to be believed without question?

 

The reason to believe them is they walked with Jesus, saw him crucufied and then saw him raised from the dead. They were willing to die for this belief, to be crucfied themselves upside down. You think if it was fake they would gave there lives for it???? No way.

Edited February 15, 2008 by Seahawks

[StevenSeagal]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

Seahawks: cool. what's on your tick list?

[StevenSeagal]

Oh, also- WOW! People willing to die for their belief system!?! I guess I better convert to Islam, because all those suicide bombers must know something we don't!

[Seahawks]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

Wrong, please don't spread your lies.

 

In the article When were the gospels written and by whom?, I demonstrated that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were all written before 70 A.D. Basically, the book of Acts was written by Luke. But Luke fails to mention the destruction of Jerusalem in 79. A.D., nor does he mention the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65). Since Acts is a historical document dealing with the church, we would naturally expect such important events to be recorded if Acts was written after the fact. Since Acts 1:1-2 mentions that it is the second writing of Luke, the gospel of Luke was written even earlier. Also, Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple in the gospels: "As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down," (Luke 21:5, see also Matt. 24:1; Mark 13:1). Undoubtedly, if Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written after the destruction of the Temple, they would have included the fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in them. Since they don't, it is very strong indication that they were written before 70 A.D.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

Wrong, please don't spread your lies.

 

In the article When were the gospels written and by whom?, I demonstrated that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were all written before 70 A.D. Basically, the book of Acts was written by Luke. But Luke fails to mention the destruction of Jerusalem in 79. A.D., nor does he mention the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65). Since Acts is a historical document dealing with the church, we would naturally expect such important events to be recorded if Acts was written after the fact. Since Acts 1:1-2 mentions that it is the second writing of Luke, the gospel of Luke was written even earlier. Also, Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple in the gospels: "As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down," (Luke 21:5, see also Matt. 24:1; Mark 13:1). Undoubtedly, if Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written after the destruction of the Temple, they would have included the fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in them. Since they don't, it is very strong indication that they were written before 70 A.D.

 

Do you climb?

[Seahawks]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

Only truth I know Segal is a wuss.

Edited February 15, 2008 by Seahawks

[marylou]

If you're against abortions, don't have one.

 

Pretty simple.

[Seahawks]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

Revelation

 

The author of the Book of Revelation is John. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John," (Rev. 1:1). "Justin Martyr (Dialogue with Trypho, p. 308) (A.D.. 139–161) quotes from the Apocalypse, as John the apostle’s work."7

Revelation was probably written at the end of John the Apostle's life. Some hold to the 90's and it is the last book written in the New Testament.

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

If you're against abortions, don't have one.

 

Pretty simple.

 

a simple answer for a simpleton

[StevenSeagal]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

Wrong, please don't spread your lies.

 

In the article When were the gospels written and by whom?, I demonstrated that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were all written before 70 A.D. Basically, the book of Acts was written by Luke. But Luke fails to mention the destruction of Jerusalem in 79. A.D., nor does he mention the deaths of James (A.D. 62), Paul (A.D. 64), and Peter (A.D. 65). Since Acts is a historical document dealing with the church, we would naturally expect such important events to be recorded if Acts was written after the fact. Since Acts 1:1-2 mentions that it is the second writing of Luke, the gospel of Luke was written even earlier. Also, Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple in the gospels: "As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down," (Luke 21:5, see also Matt. 24:1; Mark 13:1). Undoubtedly, if Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written after the destruction of the Temple, they would have included the fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in them. Since they don't, it is very strong indication that they were written before 70 A.D.

 

Horseshit.

 

First of all, it reads like you wrote the article. Once again you fail to credit your sources. Nevertheless...moving on...I'm not a scholar of scripture but I'm pretty damn sure Revelations is MUCH MUCH later. And the entire above paragraph is all clearly based on 23rd hand speculation passed down for 2000 years. And in any event it's a case for 3 gospels. What about all the others...?

 

I love the prophecy of the Temple's destruction. Who would have thunk it? How many buildings from AD 00 remain standing today?

 

I predict that this moldy log cabin I saw in the woods near Buckley will one day be replaced by a SuperWalmart!

 

 

[RuMR]

this is a flash thought i had this morning (i'm slow). it's so obvious i'm sure someone else has said it before but i thought i should post it here so we can have our own flame war if necessary.

 

 

to the christians:

 

you know how you think it's crazy muslims deny women rights by making them wear veils, not letting them drive, and in general treating them like second class citizens? that's how i feel about your attempts to make abortion illegal.

First, most Christians do not like my stand but most Jews did not like Jesus so take it all with a grain of salt.

Abortion should be addressed through education and support of birth control. This would have to be coupled with reforms in Public health care and welfare. Huge issue. Not simplistic. Do I think abortions are OK? No. Do I think they should be illegal? Some of them. From here it gets really sticky but I have a really freaking HUGE issue with people who use it repeatedly as birth control just like I have a really freaking HUGE issue with people who think they can tell a raped woman she has to carry to term.

 

you know how you think it's crazy muslims punish the victims of rape or punish women who sit in the company of men they are not related to? that's how i feel about your opposition to gay marriage.

Gays are mostly that way due to genetics. The church is behind the times scientifically but they will adapt. Anything that changes rapidly, cannot withstand the erosion of time. We are in a particularly fast changing period and the old ways seem too slow to change. They will.

 

you know how you think it's crazy muslims wage a holy war against all infidels and think isreal should be wiped off the map? that's how i feel about your attempts to teach intelligent design or creationism in schools.

The church is behind the times scientifically but they will adapt. Anything that changes rapidly, cannot withstand the erosion of time. We are in a particularly fast changing period and the old ways seem too slow to change. They will.

 

you know how you think there are probably a lot of muslims who just see islam as a source of personal inspiration and don't advocate violence or terrorism? that's how i feel about christians who don't feel the need to impose their beliefs on others.

 

 

thanks and have a great day.

 

Cheers.

I like your post.

hey bug/ant/whatever...

 

no one really has multiple abortions...using it repeatedly as birth control...are you fucking high??

Actually, I know a woman who had 7 abortions with the same man in a five year period.

You live in a wonderful little bubble don't you?

i'd be willing to bet that is wwwaaaaaaaaay more the exception than the rule...why doesn't she just get her tubes tied...

 

And on the other hand your world's all dreamy cuz you are proposing that she shoulda been a parent?? dumbass...

[sirwoofalot]

much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. ... and try again.

 

 

Um, SS, you do make some logical aruments and point out the error of others thought processes, but this time you are wrong.

 

Absolutely, wrong. Try again.

 

 

[RuMR]

I had a flash yesterday, and wonder why I never thought about this before.

 

I realized I do NOT have to point out others sins to them. I need to read the Bible and know what God saying to me and me alone. About how I need to change, how I need to correct my life.

 

I have never walked in someone else shoe, and can not. It is a spiritual impossibility for me, and I should not try to.

 

If God speaks to me through his word, that is to me.

 

Before you rip Christianity perhaps you should check what God has to say about it; give up your preconceived notions based on other people’s mistakes and start by reading the Bible.

 

Might I suggest starting in the New Testament with the book of John?

 

What GOD has to say about it? The bible was written by men, claiming that God told them what to write or otherwise 'moved their hand'. Now why does this 'fact' always get a free pass? Why is this taken as a given? If anyone today writes something down and claims that God spoke through them, they are immediately vilified and ridiculed...or worse...as lunatics, blasphemers, frauds. What was so different about John and others 1500-2000 years ago that what they wrote down is to be believed without question?

 

The reason to believe them is they walked with Jesus, saw him crucufied and then saw him raised from the dead. They were willing to die for this belief, to be crucfied themselves upside down. You think if it was fake they would gave there lives for it???? No way.

yeah...and i think the branch davidians and jim jones would fit your little description pretty well, tool...

[StevenSeagal]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

Revelation

 

The author of the Book of Revelation is John. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John," (Rev. 1:1). "Justin Martyr (Dialogue with Trypho, p. 308) (A.D.. 139–161) quotes from the Apocalypse, as John the apostle’s work."7

Revelation was probably written at the end of John the Apostle's life. Some hold to the 90's and it is the last book written in the New Testament.

 

Which means what exactly? So God talked to John through an angel and that settles it? That's the end of the discussion and now we're just supposed to focus on the message, right?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Dude, you're trying to have a discussion with Seahawks.

[StevenSeagal]

Umm, Seahawks, much of the New Testament was written generations after Jesus' death. Revelations I think was 400 years later. Think about that for a minute, and try again.

 

 

Only truth I know Segal is a wuss.

 

Seafag: God called me today. He says you suck ass and to tell you to stop making him look bad.

[RuMR]

that stupid fuckin' bible thumpin chicken...