KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrogdortheBurninator Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Agreed that this is exciting work, but is it really win-win when some of the world's top scientists must contribute so much of their energy away from medical progress just so they can appease a ridiculous moral class. Imagine a farmer with a crop of corn, unable to harvest, and forced instead to figure out how to grow corn on trees. Does not seem like the most beneficial use of resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 Agreed that this is exciting work, but is it really win-win when some of the world's top scientists must contribute so much of their energy away from medical progress just so they can appease a ridiculous moral class.  Nonsense.  1) any advance in knowledge is important and any understanding of how to manipulate, even alter cells differentiation is huge 2) "ridiculous moral class" - like when a liberal opposes the war or a vegan eating meat, or execution of murderers? you need to learn respect for another "moral" perspective  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrogdortheBurninator Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I agree that any advances in genetics research benefit society as a whole, but I find it unfortunate that so much research is on hold while we wait for these interim solutions. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrogdortheBurninator Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Regarding the moral class, I highly doubt the average opposition would care at all about stem cell research (in fact i suspect they would support it) if it weren't for the prominent political-religous figures speaking against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 Regarding the moral class, I highly doubt the average opposition would care at all about stem cell research (in fact i suspect they would support it) if it weren't for the prominent political-religous figures speaking against it.  of course opposition to genetic manipulation of crops is just fine with you... and opposition to it has nothing to do with "political-ecological(earth-worship)" figures speaking against it  anyways, let's not bicker and be happy for good news from scientific research today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrogdortheBurninator Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 fair enough. it is great news for the scientific community! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 If you don’t bicker, it’s not spray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 If you don’t bicker, it’s not spray.  STFU, nOOb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I KNEW that's what you were going to write! You are SOOO predictable. Â Shouldn't you be out postholing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 When do I stop being a noob? Â If you were any sort of a climber you'd be able to answer my Black Peak-in-winter question in the N. Cascades TR section. I think you R a pozer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I thought this was going to be about the Zebra fish stem cell story to grow new eyeballs, a feat which may eliminate blindness (in humans, not fish) in our lifetime. Â Amazing. Same little fish you have in your home aquariums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 OK, OK, back to stem cells...even if it is spray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 When do I stop being a noob? If you were any sort of a climber you'd be able to answer my Black Peak-in-winter question in the N. Cascades TR section. I think you R a pozer.  anybody that's asking if a boulder field at ~ 5600' of elevation in the north cascades will be snow covered in winter doesn't deserve an answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I asked if it would be *completely* covered. Have you walked across it to Wing Lake? No? Then pipe down. Â And how does my inexpereince in winter here mean I don't "deserve" an answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I asked if it would be *completely* covered. Have you walked across it to Wing Lake? No? Then pipe down. Â Â I've walked across it to Lewis lake if that's what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbingPanther Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 When do I stop being a noob? now that all depends on you, doesn't it? Â the prospect of scraping a few cells off an old fogey and fixing his problem is pretty awesome. Â what good does embryonic stem cells do those of us who have progressed beyond the embryonic stage of life? ok, maybe they can grow an organ for me someday but I'd still suffer the trials of being an organ recipient & all the anti-rejection meds because the new cells are from somebody else. even if you did have a couple of your embryo cells saved, this new process eliminates the 80 years of storage in the freezer, which would be a huge waste of energy. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 When do I stop being a noob? now that all depends on you, doesn't it? Â the prospect of scraping a few cells off an old fogey and fixing his problem is pretty awesome. Â what good does embryonic stem cells do those of us who have progressed beyond the embryonic stage of life? ok, maybe they can grow an organ for me someday but I'd still suffer the trials of being an organ recipient & all the anti-rejection meds because the new cells are from somebody else. even if you did have a couple of your embryo cells saved, this new process eliminates the 80 years of storage in the freezer, which would be a huge waste of energy. Â Â Enough with your scientific mumbo jumbo. This is a religious issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rooster Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Imagine a farmer with a crop of corn  Alright.  ...and forced instead to figure out how to grow corn on trees. Does not seem like the most beneficial use of resources.  Why not?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 2) "ridiculous moral class" - like when a liberal opposes the war or a vegan eating meat, or execution of murderers? you need to learn respect for another "moral" perspective That rhetoric couldn't be more empty coming from you! Does the "respect" we need to learn include wishing people dead? Â "I'd rather see you all get fucked over by terrorists and rot in the aftermath, then lift a finger on your behalf." Talk about respect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Then, I'm guessing you're not much for promoting tolerance or "respect" for other moral perspectives when they're specifically at hand - too caught up in nitpicking the Right and Wrong of extended communication behaviors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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