Montana_Climber Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Have you tried to find a Cloudveil Schoeller jacket on sale? The Serendipity is the one I have and love it as long as it's not raining. Ice climbing and skiing are no problem in it. I bought it a few years ago for %40 off at an outdoor stores summer sale. I wouldn't buy it at normal price though. It is a bit pricey. $$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Powershield relies on "discontinous glue laminate" to provide breathability, it doesn't breathe thru the fusion of the inner and outer shells. Quite a bit different from a bicomponent weave ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Sphinx said: allison said: Dryskin and PS are totally different fabrics. I have the Ferratta and will be adding an REI One jacket to it in the fall. I think the One will be better for skiing and it's way more styling for wearing around town. ...and it fits like a garbage sack... Â The Women's One fits like a garbage sack? Well, that's amazing! It's looked great on everyone I've seen it on, even little old me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Beck said: Powershield relies on "discontinous glue laminate" to provide breathability, it doesn't breathe thru the fusion of the inner and outer shells. Quite a bit different from a bicomponent weave .....   but but but:  the inner fleece is breathable the outer stretch layer is breathable the glue binding the layers is not breathable  so they use a glue grid to bond the two instead of a continuous layer  its not the discontinuous glue layer that makes it breathable so much as it doesnt make it unbreathable, if ya see the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sphinx Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 It looks fine when you are standing with your arms at your sides. Now try lifting your arms above your head, as if you're climbing. Yes, that's right, the hem raises about 8 inches, and the sleeves pull back so your forearm is exposed. Excellent. Now take a fall in powder, head-first, arms stretched out. Wonderful. Due to a lack of cuff seals, now your forearms are encased with snow. Yummy. Go buy the thing, I don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 no no no, she doesn't care about performance, only that it "looks great" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sphinx Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 allison said: Sphinx said: It looks fine when you are standing with your arms at your sides. Now try lifting your arms above your head, as if you're climbing. Â Â So I said I was going to get it for skiing. I don't climb unless it's sunny, and even then, well.... Â Yes, that's right, the hem raises about 8 inches, and the sleeves pull back so your forearm is exposed. Excellent. Now take a fall in powder, head-first, arms stretched out. Wonderful. Due to a lack of cuff seals, now your forearms are encased with snow. Yummy. Â Um, I wear these things on my hands when I am skiing, I think they are called gloves. They have these gauntlet doohickey things on them, and that keeps the snow out. They work real good! Â Go buy the thing, I don't care. Â Whew, thanks, can I? Â There are better jackets for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 The Cloudveil softshell rawks. Got one last fall, and it was the main jacket for about everything through the winter. I think it looks like crap, personally, the dull purple-blue color sucks...but it's like a second skin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Shpinx, she said everything she needed to say with "it looks great...blah...blah", proving once again that REI is hitting it's target audience perfectly. Â In any event, MEC makes a powershield top that I got. fits great, performs, great, and is very cheap. I don't wear powershield around town, so I don't know how it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Goddamn, you people are really anal about this shit aren't you? Buy the bitch, or don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 This from the guy with Arcteryx everything. I bet you sent them one of those "why don't you make it in camo" letters too didnt ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Maybe I have the shit, or maybe I don't. Only Neo knows for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 "why don't you make it in camo" Â sheesh...patagucci already makes it in flame orange...they might as well cover mossy oak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 JoshK said: Shpinx, she said everything she needed to say with "it looks great...blah...blah", proving once again that REI is hitting it's target audience perfectly. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 for camoflage soft shells the clandestine climber needs to visit cabela's  and powershield doesn't breathe thru the glue, dru-  that makes it inherently less breathable than a fabric that is uniform bicomponent construction like scholler dryskin,skifans, dynamic, or Tweave. or 60/40 parka, one of the earlier soft shells-  if anyone knows where to buy a scholler blazer, i'm looking for one for around townwear... and some people look flattering in clothes that are shaped like garbage sacks hence the desire to own one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Beck said:  and powershield doesn't breathe thru the glue, dru-   duh, that was my point too, what exactly are we arguing about? it breathes exactly the right amount for winter ice climbing, cragging and spring alpine climbing  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 (edited) sorry, Dru, I got a little confused by this one- the inner fleece is breathable the outer stretch layer is breathable the glue binding the layers is not breathable so they use a glue grid to bond the two instead of a continuous layer its not the discontinuous glue layer that makes it breathable so much as it doesnt make it unbreathable, if ya see the difference. -------------------- dru is crazy  but I'm imagining most people don't know powershield is really two fabrics glued togther, just keeping it real - i didn't think we were arguing dru... Edited June 2, 2003 by Beck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Question: why can't anybody come up with a scholler-type fabric that is truely windPROOF, but cool enough to wear hiking in to a climb in summer? Most of these soft shell things blow due to their lack of windproofness. For example, the Serendipity is not much more windproof than fleece! Give me a break! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Sphinx said: Question: why can't anybody come up with a scholler-type fabric that is truely windPROOF, but cool enough to wear hiking in to a climb in summer? Most of these soft shell things blow due to their lack of windproofness. For example, the Serendipity is not much more windproof than fleece! Give me a break! Â my schoeller jacket is windproof if you are hikin in to a REAL climb in summer (eg. not to Exit 38) you will be sweating no matter how much wind is blowing in any type of jacket if you are dumb enough to wear one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 I meant in pants. No schoeller fabric is totally windproof. Take your "windproof" schoeller, and try to blow air through it. I guarantee that you will be able to. The only truely windproof softshell fabric I've seen is the Patagonia Dimension, and they don't make pants out of that fabric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chupdog Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 No crags here, I can't even wear my Schoeller stuff to class 'cause nobody knows what it is. And chicks don't dig it if you ask them to feel your clothes (especially pants). I got an Ibex Icefall about three years ago. The stretch and water-resistance are excellent. The material is Ski-fans. It has a wool lining (soft) and is warm by itself down to the 40's. Most breathable jacket I have ever worn. It seems like there is a lot of extra sticthing on it (around cuffs and elbows) but have not had a frayed seam yet . Compresses down to nothing. I have worn it cycling (couple of falls, only pride hurt), skiing (midweight capilene top and jacket good to about 30 degrees), and chasing Fourteeners in Colorado. I don't take a hard shell in my daypack anymore. I like the sleeve closures, velcro and elastic, don't have to undo velcro every time putting on jacket. I bought a Cloudveil Serendipity (Schoeller Dryskin) on sale last year. XL runs a little large compared to the Ibex. The extra long sleeves works for you ice climbers but it just adds dry time for us peak baggers when sleeves get wet. Huge pockets carry a lot but can't warm your hands . Feels a little bulkier than the Ibex but not as warm. Water resistance not as good either. Â I ordered a pair of the Mammut Courmayeur pants from Climb High, can't wait. Â Has anyone tried a DWR spray for any of these jackets? I had to reDWR my Patagonia Direct X after about 6 mos. use. Â And yes, I am probably that fat guy you see rubbing all the gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 ArcTeryx uses ReviveX to create or renew DWR on all their stuff: packs, softshell, hardshell. Â Now all the stupid NikWax ppl will chime in saying Nikwax is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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