OlympicMtnBoy Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Random websurfing while taking a break from my thesis just found this. Check it out: 4.5 oz ice axe. Of course they call it a "potty trowel" on the manufacturers web site here . 128 grams of aluminum and carbon fiber for the 55cm version. Somebody order one of these things and tell me how hard it is to snap. My CAMP aluminum axe is weighing me down at 8.6 oz. ;-) Just don't bring one along if we're gonna be roped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 The pick and adze looks super cheezy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 I like the warning that comes on the page. sounds like it is bad to use the axe for anything that it should be meant for. I guess piolet canne is ok. But don't self arrest with it! WARNING: THE HELIX IS NOT CERTIFIED BY ANY RECOGNIZED MOUNTAINEERING SAFETY ORGANIZATION TO MEET ANY LEVEL OF MINIMUM SAFETY STANDARDS. USING THIS TOOL FOR THE FOLLOWING TECHNIQUES MAY RESULT IN ITS FAILURE WHICH MAY CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH: ICE AXE ARREST, BOOT AXE BELAYS, PLUNGED SHAFT BELAY/ARREST, PIOLET PANNE, PIOLET POIGNARD, PIOLET ANCRE, PIOLET TRACTION, DRY TOOLING, OR OTHER TECHNIQUES BEST SUITED FOR B- OR T-RATED ICE TOOLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Husbands Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 elsewhere... Q: The Helix Potty Trowel has a striking resemblance to an ice axe. Have you considered using it as an ice axe? A: Hmmm. Wow. Now that you mention it, it does kind of look like an ice axe. I've heard that a number of thru-hiker's have been using the Potty Trowels on the PCT and CDT as a non-technical ice axe for glissading, basic slope safety, and the occasional self-arrest. You certainly have to admire the weight conscious, muli-use philosophy employed by these intrepid hikers! funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicMtnBoy Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 My guess is the weakest part would be the attachment point between the head and the shaft. Look at the clunkly looking thing Grivel had to make for their carbon fiber/wood axe: Monte Bianco It is oddly cool though, that thing is like the weight of 2 or 3 biners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerJ Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 They could not get a T or B rating, so they went for the P rating I guess. -r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 So, as I understand it, they sell this as a "potty trowel", you buy it and use it as an ice axe. It breaks when you go to arrest with it. Then you decide to sue but sorry, you can't because you were misusing something that was manufactured for an entirely different use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 They mention using the adze to cut steps. I've never swung a 4.5 oz axe, but I can't imagine it would do shit on any terrain needing steps cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 It's a "potty trowel". It's for cutting steps in steep coils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 It's a "potty trowel". It's for cutting steps in steep coils. Niiice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Yup, after eating a Dr. Puttee's Bowel Putty Butty, you too can use your potty trowel to drop a tight Kiwi coil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR_Guy Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I've seen these while thru hiking the PCT last year. I ended up carrying a rated axe (Camp XLA 210), but, had I been a total gram fanatic, I could easily have chosen to carry this axe (um, 'cat hole digger') instead. The intended user of this 'cat hole digger' is the ultra-light backpacker / thru hiker of the PCT / CDT who would otherwise go without any type of self arrest aid. As was pointed out by an experienced mountianeering type at the PCT kick off in April of '06 while talking about ice axes and self arrest, this is not a true ice axe. He also pointed out (rightly) that it's better than nothing if the shit hits the fan and you fall while traversing the steep snow fields on Glen Pass (as I did - glad I had my Camp, but I would have been happy to have one of these over nothing) or on Mather Pass. Remember, the intended user of this is someone who'd carry nothing as an alternative. The other choice for the gram weenie who wants some arrest aid is a whippet - I only saw one person with those. Probably no better than this ULA device. Regarding the strength - it's quite robust for the weight. The shaft is pretty thick walled hence it's quite rigid - far more rigid and much thicker walled that the carbon fiber trekking poles I used (and broke) last year. As far as cutting steps - understand that ultra-light thru hiker types wear running shoes. Kind of hard to kick steps in firm /slightly frozen snow early in the morning heading up and over the passes. This thing would be adequate to chop into that - I wouldn't want to try and cut into anything more. Also, you're mostly following in established tracks, so usually, you might only have to 'clean up' the foot prints with a bit of light chopping. And, to repeat, it's better than what would be carried otherwise - nothing. Heck, cutting the few steps I did with my Camp was a royal bitch - no mass behind it, but it was adequate to get the job done, which is all I needed. This ULA 'cat hole digger' is as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suge Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 I've used the Helix both in prototype and production versions in general alpine settings, but never where my life was going to depend on it. If you're in the mountains on moderate terrain and basically just need it for self belay, it works just fine. Forget about cutting steps, this takes forever (even longer than with the CAMP XLA 210). With the prototype version, I was able to jam the spike up into the shaft after about 3 weeks in the Montana Rockies. I'm happy to take the axe along on hiking-style trips, but I leave it at home if it has to see greater duty than self belay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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