E-rock Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 maybe you should read the Wikipedia article on DNA or some other entry-level article for the lay person, so you can understand what we're talking about here. I'm pretty sure I understand DNA - at least a lot better than you, apparently. Your attitude is indicative of the typical lay-person who, when confronted with a scenario that at the surface seems counterintuitive or logically flawed, jumps all over the people discussing it, claims they don't know shit, an refuses to educate themselves. Example: "How the hell can we say that people come from monkeys? If that were true and Darwin is right, then why are there still monkeys?" Or an even more obnoxious example, if only because the purveyors tries to PRETEND to be informed: "If evolutionary theory is correct, why isn't the world currently populated with transitional forms?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 They are. We call them cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fear_and_greed Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I wonder what other gems like this are contained in the Patriot Act fine print. But hell, you could always hire the Johhny Cochrane, Dershowicz, Shapiro team to bamboozle the other side and set you free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 E-rock: Why are there monkeys but not Neanderthals? Eh? Is it because we are cross-fertile with Neanderthals but not monkeys? "hey baby" 8D "Hmmm, too genetically different. No hot monkey love here" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 "If evolutionary theory is correct, why isn't the world currently populated with transitional forms?" Everything is a transitional form, wingnut, at least until something better suited to that particular environment comes along. Even if it already exists, it may take longer than your lifetime for it to become predominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 the word "track" was not used in the context you are using it. DNA obviously can't tell you where a person is. Just where they were. From original post: The article mentioned that cops were interested in keeping track of siblings of cons Again, how, exactly, will a DNA database help the cops to "keep track" of your siblings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 it will be used to clone you, and then have your new evil twin commit crimes for which you get the blame. it was an episode of superman i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Why are twins always evil? Why not a nice twin who always does good deeds that you get credit for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 we cannot proceed. i was being feceslicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 "If evolutionary theory is correct, why isn't the world currently populated with transitional forms?" Everything is a transitional form, wingnut, at least until something better suited to that particular environment comes along. Even if it already exists, it may take longer than your lifetime for it to become predominant. Notice how he uses "wingnut" - apparently for the purposes of discouraging anyone arguing with his flacid, unsubstantiated logic for fear that his namecalling will escalate, thus embarrasing said opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 yeah, like a wingnut is bad thing. the word has gotten a bad rap...just like the word "liberal". they are actually very useful and practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 the word "track" was not used in the context you are using it. DNA obviously can't tell you where a person is. Just where they were. From original post: The article mentioned that cops were interested in keeping track of siblings of cons Again, how, exactly, will a DNA database help the cops to "keep track" of your siblings? Again, I am asking if anyone else read the article and remembers where is was. Fucking A, give it a rest already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 feceslicious delicious feces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 it will be used to clone you, and then have your new evil twin commit crimes for which you get the blame. it was an episode of superman i think. I am the evil twin. I need someone to clone me to go do something good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Is this the article to which you refer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 "If evolutionary theory is correct, why isn't the world currently populated with transitional forms?" Everything is a transitional form, wingnut, at least until something better suited to that particular environment comes along. Even if it already exists, it may take longer than your lifetime for it to become predominant. Notice how he uses "wingnut" - apparently for the purposes of discouraging anyone arguing with his flacid, unsubstantiated logic for fear that his namecalling will escalate, thus embarrasing said opponent. Uh, yeah, that's why I did it.....yeah, that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Good find--pretty close. They do talk about "familial DNA searching" in that article; but the one I read focused more closely on only that. I'll use that as search criteria and start digging. Thanks for posting that link though--interesting article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Oh, and this part was included in what I read: People who have been convicted of crimes are more likely to have relatives that have been convicted of a crime, which would help the technique be successful. Bieber cited one study in which 30 percent of inmates surveyed said they had a brother who had also been in jail. The study published today used a computer simulation to study how well the technique would work, if generally used. It used data randomly generated based on genetic principles, not information from real databases, meaning the results would have to be verified with real-world data. A computer, the study said, could generate a list of near matches, ranked by how likely those people are to be related to the person whose DNA was collected at a crime scene. One possibility, the study's authors suggest, is to decide on an arbitrary cutoff, giving police access to only those partial matches that exceed a certain likelihood. Something about that is just a bit creepy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 i'm a computer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Then Give up yr DNS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 STOP ALL THE DOWNLOADING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 1.) Don't steal DNA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I'm the direct descendant of Genghis Khan's accountant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 it's my DNA and you can't have it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekend_Climberz Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 But hell, you could always hire the Johhny Cochrane... This is a good example. You could dig up Johnny's dead body, clone it, and then he would put people in jail instead of freeing them for murder :tup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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