TheOtter Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 You otter tell me how you like 'em! They aren't available to the public until January, but I figure some of you sponsored, big shot climbers may have fingered 'em. Quote
Lambone Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 the color scheme confuses me. I like how Aliens are coded better. Quote
TheOtter Posted October 13, 2006 Author Posted October 13, 2006 Yes. Colors can be very confusing. Thanks for your in-depth analysis. Quote
TheOtter Posted October 13, 2006 Author Posted October 13, 2006 They're great! We are really getting somewhere here. I think I otter go spit into the wind. To elevate the conversation, here are a few questions: 1) Does the lack of vertical-placement-floppiness of the stem make these offsets less useful than aliens? 2) I would guess the new, smaller brazing connection between the cable+axle makes the cam fit better into smaller pod cracks. Especially in the small cam sizes. True? 3) The regular (non-offset) ultralights that I have used have a stiffer trigger pull than the older Metolius cams. Is that the case with these? 4) Is the middle lobe the same size as the outer or inner lobe? Quote
catbirdseat Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 I'm pretty sure the middle lobe is the same size as the outer lobe. I think this must have been an arbitrary decision on Metolius' part. Quote
JosephH Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 Hybrids are the only Aliens I own, and have had two sets of them for years. I like them for the unique qualities they offer, but Metolius are my main cams and have been since my original Friends were stolen in the early 90's. It has always bugged me that I've had to buy brands other than Metolius for things like Alien Hybrids, Wild Country Offsets, and big BD Cams (and I've always hated BD cams). Because of that and my involvement in the whole Aliens fiasco, I knew Ivo had been bugging Metolius to market offsets. I jumped in seconding that and in strongly urging them to add offsets to their product line. Part of that effort resulted in some early prototypes and so I've been using mine for several years (they aren't Ultralights, though). Bill Coe has also had a set and he can speak for himself as to how he likes them. My take on them is that if you are at all technically inclined relative to placements, or do any aid climbing, then you should definitely pop for a set of these. Mine are permanently on my rack and while I still use the Alien Hybrids on occasion, I only rack one of them when I have a specific need it. The Aliens still have their place for when I need to hang only one side the cam in a surface notch or pin scar or when I want a very flexible stem. But in an either or situation it's the Metolius every time. They are just made so much better than the Aliens it isn't even funny. Mine have now been integrated into my rack and thinking for so long at this point I can't imagine not having them while I'm climbing. Also, my prototypes just have regular old solid colored tubing and slings and I rack them alongside the regular cam of the same size but on a gold gate Petzl Spirits as opposed to the purple gated Spirits all my other cams are on. I highly recommend these, but then I'm completely pregidous. Now, if we could only get Metolius to get on with the big Super Cams so I can ditch the trash BD's. Quote
John Frieh Posted October 13, 2006 Posted October 13, 2006 They walk like an SOB. I like c3s and/or hybrids better Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 They aren't available to the public until January, but I figure some of you sponsored, big shot climbers may have fingered 'em. January? Mountain gear is selling them online right now!! Metolius Offsets Quote
dbb Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 Available for back order. the fine print gets ya every time. Quote
TrogdortheBurninator Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 But the individuals say ships next day. Weird. Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted October 31, 2006 Posted October 31, 2006 They say they'll be shipped on 11/7/06 on my confirmation. Guess we'll see Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 Ooooo..... they shipped this morning. Mountain Gear Rocks!!! Should have them tomorrow from previous experience. Quote
fenderfour Posted November 2, 2006 Posted November 2, 2006 ...must resist buying gear.... f_ck it. Today is payday. Quote
Jedi Posted November 8, 2006 Posted November 8, 2006 Yeah, I'm with Lambone. I don't quite understand the webbing colors. I was recently eyeballing these in MG. I do love the Alien Hybrids for aid but prefer my Metolius (I have the old ones) for free climbing. These would be nice but so would a new set of the Ultralights! Alas.....my debit load says no. Jedi Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted November 9, 2006 Posted November 9, 2006 (edited) It must be christmas, because I've had mine for a week now. The coloring is pretty easy to understand. If you have a set of regular TCU's, each offset covers a range from the two similiar regular TCU colors on the U-stem. The side smaller piece of colored plastic is on, is also the side with the smaller cams. edited: got the cam size backwards Edited November 9, 2006 by Weekend_Climberz Quote
JosephH Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Like I said, I'm prejudiced about them - ask Bill Coe, he's had a set of the offsets (not ultralights, though) for a couple of years now. Quote
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