johndavidjr Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 I've got neither and want to buy a couple of one or the other. Besides the price consideration, which should I get and why? Quote
catbirdseat Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 The burning question is why have you returned to using the old avatar? Wasn't Jerseyscum working out for you? Quote
olyclimber Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Before investing in them, be sure you'll actually use them. Don't buy any dimpled aliens , but other than that I think they both have their merits. I don't have any C3s, but if I was buying some gear in that size I would probably give them a go. As it is, I have it covered pretty well in aliens. I don't see reason to go C3s, especially since it would cost me a pretty penny. I think the aliens go smaller than the C3s. Quote
JosephH Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Also, the aliens are four cam vs. three cam units and when push comes to shove you can hang just one side of an alien in a pin scar or similar crack which is something you can't do with a metolius, C3 or C4. Quote
olyclimber Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 How often do you see Aliens on sale? https://www.mountaingear.com/pages/produ...item/902430/N/0 Of course, the best sizes are gone though (except for the grey, which is in between red and yellow )... Quote
johndavidjr Posted July 23, 2006 Author Posted July 23, 2006 So it sounds like Aliens are a better product than C3s? BTW yeah, Jerseyscum not working for me, literally, as I couldn't retrieve password, although I remain scum from Jersey-- or at least in beautiful downtown Jersey City. In a former life Jersey license plates would get me enraged. Quote
olyclimber Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 C4s are on sale too http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/produc...item/626001/N/0 Quote
John Frieh Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 So it sounds like Aliens are a better product than C3s? Better product could be interpreted a number of ways... you should be more specific. Here is my wanker opinion to date: Currently on my second set of regular aliens... aliens are made with a softer metal and will wear out over time (especially if you are fat like me ). I also have some hybrids but those are for more specific routes The C3 head size is smaller than the alien head size thus being able to fit them into smaller placements. C3's have independent springs for the cam lobes so they do not walk at all! Super sweet! Some people whine about the C3s trigger bar being to stiff/hard to pull... I can't understand this frankly unless they max out around 5.3 but still... something worth mentioning. Both have a loop to climb... important for aid. Aliens are the staple of any aid climbers rack. Not important if you aren't going to get into aid but... I haven't used C3s in winter yet but I have a suspicion they freeze... Aliens will freeze on winter routes C3 were the cam of choice for the recent ascent of City Park... could have something to do with a sponsorship though I will mention he did whip on the #00 a number of times and didn't deform the cam lobes hardly at all. Either one is a great buy... you can't go wrong with either I think... in the end you will end up owning both if you climb a lot. If you brave (dumb?) enough to go climbing with me you can try them both out Quote
crackers Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 aliens. newman at rock and snow switched to C3s though, so YMMV. Quote
miller Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 Both are great - but I recently started using C3's and I love 'em. Check 'em out. Quote
Peter_Puget Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 I wonder if people will start finding issues with the 1 ½” rigid section right below the cams. Seems like it could be an issue in shallow or non-vertical cracks Quote
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