Keith Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Anyone have some beta on the Kautz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 yeah, dont stand under the ice cliffs on a hot sunny day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted July 8, 2002 Author Share Posted July 8, 2002 The NPS web site says that "On July 6th the ice cliff calved car sized chunks onto the traverse below the ice cliff...on three separate occasions. All parties climbing on the 6th turned back due to icefall hazard." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 what is the scientifically measured volume of "car sized"? Geo Metro or 56 TBird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 A friend and myself camped under the icefall last year on the route. I awoke to really big chunks of ice coming off but it all sluffed away. There were some nice bivy sites up there when we were there but I have heard they are gone due to icefall now. If you feel comfortable frontpointing you can skirt the icecliff to the left of camp hazard and not have to downclimb around a rock outcrop. A second tool would come in handy there but we did it without one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 avoid bad weather, reporters, and helicopters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertm Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 the climb was in great shape two weeks ago. you can bypass the climb back up to Hazard on the way back saving some time and avoiding some objective danger by making a 4th class 20 foot climb up the rock below Camp hazard. There is a fp for protection... you could also rappel from a fixed station here (red and blue slings) and avoid going directly under the ice cliff. We camped low at around 9300 ft. which worked out great since there is running water there (below the turtle). If you go high you will need to carry more fuel and melt snow which will negate any time you saved by climbing up there. It is quick going with summit packs up to hazard. Take some horsecock and cheese and you are good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: what is the scientifically measured volume of "car sized"? Geo Metro or 56 TBird? '56 T-Birds aren't that big... how about a '56 Lincoln? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted July 9, 2002 Share Posted July 9, 2002 quote: Originally posted by slothrop: quote:Originally posted by Dru: what is the scientifically measured volume of "car sized"? Geo Metro or 56 TBird? '56 T-Birds aren't that big... how about a '56 Lincoln? How about a Chevy Avalanche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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