daveheinbach Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I know you're out there, and I'm looking for partners. "Slow enough that nobody thinks I'm good, fast enough that nobody thinks I'm a beginner." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eerie Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Go here: Circle Jerk You will find your kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Looks like Eerie has already found his kind here at cc.com. Good answers lathered thickly with asshole. What is your setup, and what kind of tours have you done so far? I might get out one of these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveheinbach Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 I swapped a Ride 163 that was cut with the Voile kit, with my buddy Larry, for a bike frame. All the times he and I went out back east I would either be slogging or have snowshoes, and both suck. Hell, one time I used my nordic gear to get to the hill. Talk about redundancy! I just moved here last winter, so I haven't used the stuff yet. I got out on some alpine adventures though, dug a few pits, been learning what I can, and this winter I'm taking the Level I course with Gary Brill. So I'm excited to start putting the info to use out there. After bailing on Stuarts' Ice cliff glacier due to hazardous conditions, and then having it come down that evening, I'm also excited about playing it pretty dang safe, so I never ever have to use that fancy barryvox, or the Avalung. <--- I just like this gremlin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Splitboarding is definitely the only way to log any miles if you are a snowboarder. Skinning is fantastically more efficient and graceful than slowshoeing, but requires a little more finesse. It'll take some time before you can keep up with seasoned backcountry skiers, but once you can, it's great. You might consider getting a factory splitboard with full metal edges, unless all of your backcountry days are in fresh powder (we can dream...). Have you been out to the Artist's Point/Table Mtn/Coleman Pinnacle area (from Mt Baker Ski Area upper lodge)? It's impossible not to meet other backcountry folks up there. Just be especially careful of the north-facing aspects if the snow is unstable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'm in the process of developing a better napproach ski....stay tuned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I am curious about this new "napproach ski". Sounds intriguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfort Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 (edited) Yes, a napproach ski would be great - always nice to catch extra Z's before a climb. I might be going for an Alpental dawn patrol this wk, shoot me an email if you're interested... Edited November 29, 2005 by philfort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli11 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Look'in nice for that lite-n-fluffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveheinbach Posted December 5, 2005 Author Share Posted December 5, 2005 Thanks for the locale info! Took the split to icicle creek this weekend to approach with, but it was too shallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 Thanks for the locale info! Took the split to icicle creek this weekend to approach with, but it was too shallow. Not up the canyon where we were... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double_E Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 So one thing I've always wondered about splitboards is.. .when you're touring in ski-mode (if that's what ya call it), how is it (are they) for going down short little hills while you're on the mostly-uphill part of the day?? can you ski downhill short stretches with them 1/2 boards? And how are the climbing attachments? work pretty good for steep climbs? I've always been skeptical of all the above. No splitboard plans for myself ... but a friend of mine who's an inbound-snowboarder is .... thinking of either getting a splitboard or AT skis!!! And I'm telling him he should go with the skis, partially cuz of this. Am esp. interested in hearing from those who have done splitboarding and also AT skiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thin_air_aaron Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 (edited) Can anyone give me an idea how much does an average splitboard setup cost and is there anywhere to pick up one used or have they not been out long enough? And to echo the previous question, how well do they handle for the approach compared to AT or Randonnee? Any particular drawbacks? I'm very intrigued by the idea because I don't wanna have to go revert to skiing for backcountry adventures. Edited December 7, 2005 by thin_air_aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Double E Although I think your shitty attitude towards snowboarding is completely misplaced, I'll give you my opinion... In short, skiing downhill in split mode sucks. I use a stiff "soft" boot and a strap binding w/carbon fiber high backs and still do not have enough forward lean to make controled turns while skinning. This might be improved slightly by using a "hard" snowboard boot but from my understanding not much and I find the stance necessary to run plate bindings limiting. (can't ride switch, landings not as stable, etc.) I do have skiing history and found that I can control short decents by snowplowing, although it is strenuous to hold. By "climbing attachments" are you refering to the heel risers? If so they work fine once you learn how to flip them with a pole, they come pretty stiff and take some breaking in. As for the ability to climb, the large surface area on the skins allows you to climb as steep (if not more so) as skiers. The only real difficulty is sidehilling on hardpack or crust, and I hear those ski crampon thingies work alright but I haven't tried them, I just boot it or go snowmobiling. Aaron- Voille boards run $750 and $800, Prior $930, and Burton right about $900. Second Ascent in Ballard has used ones (and rentals!) but they get snatched up pretty quick. You might also try splitboard.com, I've seen some reasonable prices there as well. I was a long time skeptic of the whole deal for quite a few years but the snowshoeing really started to get limiting so I finally rented one. Needless to say I ordered a Voile 173 when I returned it... I don't love the shape, it's heavy, and too soft for my liking but in the last three seasons my resort board sits unused and the split goes out every weekend. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 hey slappy, you forgot the trademark ! or is that just resevered specially for me? anyway, LOVE MIKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony_Bentley Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 After seeing ASHW skinning uphill and skiing downhill on his board the other day, I suppose there are drawbacks to both the plastic boots with plate bindings and the soft boots with regular bindings. Either way, at least snowboarders can go uphill and traverse now and even break trail with their board. Also glad to hear the canyon is in. I might have to make a trip up there after another sweet freeze and snowfall. This winter has been great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfort Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 So one thing I've always wondered about splitboards is.. .when you're touring in ski-mode (if that's what ya call it), how is it (are they) for going down short little hills while you're on the mostly-uphill part of the day?? can you ski downhill short stretches with them 1/2 boards? And how are the climbing attachments? work pretty good for steep climbs? If you can ski, they work fine for short stretches as skis. The width means they kind of suck on firm snow, but it's not too much trouble. I've split-skied many miles of narrow trail on descents - it works. In deep soft snow, they actually ski pretty well. Uphill: In you're in powder, they are superior to skis as a climbing tool. On firm snow, they pretty much suck if you're trying to side-hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_B Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I picked up a Never Summer split last year and have done a much touring as I possible could. I prefer PMB's over snowboard boots and recommend that set up with strap bindings. The PMB's are great for the skin up and work well with crampons or kicking steps. Kicking steps in firm snow just does not work with soft boots. On the descent hard boots take alittle getting used to. They are great at highspeed and with jump turns but are harder to ride at slow speeds. I have never been a skier so my 1st tour was interesting to say the least. I am quite comfortable going down hills now or in rolling terrain but it took a few trips and more falls then I like to admit. Check out www.splitboard.com for some more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 If you can ski, they work fine for short stretches as skis. The width means they kind of suck on firm snow, but it's not too much trouble. I've split-skied many miles of narrow trail on descents - it works. In deep soft snow, they actually ski pretty well. What boot/binding set up are you using? Do you adjust your forward lean differently for skinning and skiing? skins on or off? I agree, it works for short stretches, particularly if it's mellow and you can just straight line but I wouldn't say it works "well"... perhaps my skills are rusty... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfort Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 What boot/binding set up are you using? Do you adjust your forward lean differently for skinning and skiing? skins on or off? -dynafit MLT4/Voile Mtn Plate. -there's no lean adjustment -skins off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 thanks! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thin_air_aaron Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Can you wear a sturdy mountaineering boot to skin and ride a splitboard? What do some of you guys use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 I used to ride plastic mountaineering boots in strap bindings, it worked well. I probably still would if I knew it was gonna be hardpack. I use Salomon Malamutes now a pretty stiff soft boot that are moere comfortable. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverdina Posted December 8, 2005 Share Posted December 8, 2005 Ok, ok...I s'pose I'll chime in too. Pretty much second what Phil and Slappy said, though "skiing" the split halfs can be a terrifying experience on your first attempt - it does get easier with practice. It is also a necessary skill to expedite those many miles of snowy logging roads...and knowing how to snowplow is KEY to surviving the short steep bits. AT boots and plate bindings are preferred on longer tours and/or those involving difficult or variable terrain...better edge control, step kicking, skinning, less fatigue etc. Yeh, if you prefer softies and staps like me, they're kinda funky for the ride down, but you can dial em in a bit to simulate a soft-like feel (I keep the back foot loose (fwd lean) and crank-down the front). Any cheap-o AT boot will do really; no need to splurge on high-end ski boots only to ride sideways. Given the choice, and when conditions warrant, however, I prefer to just use the softies and straps...typically mid-winter day-trips, when there's nothing but deep fluff everywhere. No AT boot/plate binding will ever come close to that forgiving yet controlled soft/strap feel IMO. Oh, and the '73 is too long and handles like a damn Caddy...especially on low-angled terrain and in the trees. Unless you're like 6'5" and weigh 250lbs, the '66 will do you fine...just set the stance waay back. ...and what's the deal with Burton's '06 splits? Looks like they've deferred the mounting system to Voile (split kit), but do they honestly expect you to start drilling holes in an $800 blank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobygrape Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Skiing short stretches in soft snow is not too bad. Traversing on a sidehill w/o skins and a broken pole is no fun. I've given some thought to adding a second set of touring brackent behind the heel lift, so that I could fix the heel for a short downhill stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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